CPU overheating H110i at fault?

N19h7m4r3 · 16 Aug 2016 at 18:19

This is a pain trying to get an EK 240 to fit in many chassis, and I do like the looks of the Enthoo Pro/Luxe a lot.

doyll what do you think of the NH d15 and the Luxe/Pro? I'd have to mount my Fury X in the top I think. Do you think that will be an issue?

I see on Noctua's compatibility site that the d15 will block my m.2 port, which means it'll be extending over my RAM, but I have Dominator RAM so now those might have clearance issues?

http://noctua.at/en/nh-d15.html?comp=1#socket_2769_manuf_30
I have the Asus X99 Deluxe

Or would something like the Dark Rock 3 with two fans on it, and my FuryX on the back still as exhaust work?

Edit: I found this video rather interesting, and it's tested in the awful H440 as well. But no huge GPU rad like the Fury X.

N19h7m4r3 · 17 Aug 2016 at 10:44

So last night after going near nuts, I decided to order the Noctua NH D15 S with an extra NF A15 fan, and the Enthoo Luxe chassis.

Much better airflow than the H440, but I might have some issues mounting the Fury X someplace. Will have to see.

I've not ordered any extra fans, but if the chassis fans aren't up to task, I have the two NF A14 IPPC 2000RPM PWM fans I'm currently using on my rad to put in.

Hopefully it'll all be issue free and I can get on with things.

N19h7m4r3 · 19 Aug 2016 at 01:49

She's alive! It only took me 5 hours to get here. So far so good, and a massive improvement in temps. I haven't even put the extra fan I got on the cooler yet.

Shame the cooler didn't arrive in the morning with my chassis, but it's all been installed now.

The before and after temps on idle alone are insane!

As for my Fury X, I put it in the top for now, so far it seems to be doing alright, but I'll see under load soon enough. The Optical drive cage might be an issue for airflow to it, but if it is I'll just pull it out.

Also as the Dodo that I am, I went and pulled both HDD cages out, and forgot I actually have an HDD to install for Premiere Pro project files. So sadly there's one cage in front of the 200mm in take fan now.

Now time for bed, I'll deal with the rest tomorrow, including peeling the plastic cover off the windows. Also running AIDA 64 to see if I need to install that second Noctua A15 fan, or change things around in the chassis; as right now at nearly 2 am it's far cooler than it it in the middle of the day with the sun beating down of the chassis.

doyll · 19 Aug 2016 at 05:41

Looks good! Replace the 200mm front fan with the 2x PH-F140SP fans. Don't worry about having exhaust fans, you shouldn't need them. There is plenty of top and back low restriction venting to allow easy egress of case air.

PH-F140SP is rated 82cfm, 1.33mm H2O and 19dB
PH-F200SP is rated 110cfm, 1.04mm H2O and 25dB

2x 140mm move more than 50% more air at about 25% lower noise level.

N19h7m4r3 · 19 Aug 2016 at 10:16

Thanks doyll! I just ordered two of those 140s, and some cans of compressed air.

Who knows Phanteks made fans like that, it seems most people ignore them because they look so plane. Almost like normal cheap budget chassis fans.

That's Noctua specs at half the price.

Also about the Fan hub on my case, I'll keep using it, as sadly Asus skimped on PWM fan headers on my motherboard. Only the CPU and CPU Optional headers are PWM, with the rest all being DC.

Two of the headers being at the most awkward spot I've seen, right in between the top PCIe slot and rear RAM slots.

I should be able to plug the two new fans into the mobo as two headers are above and below the SATA ports.

doyll · 19 Aug 2016 at 10:30

The PH-F140SP fans are not PWM fans, They are 3-pin variable voltage.

N19h7m4r3 · 19 Aug 2016 at 10:50

doyll said:
The PH-F140SP fans are not PWM fans, They are 3-pin variable voltage.

Yup I saw that as I ordered them so won't be much issue on the normal chassi fan headers.

Also, I haven't been this impressed by cooling since my old full custom water loop with 480 rads!

I'm only at stock 5820K speeds, but the temps under Aida 64 is astonishing!
Max temps seen are less than my idles were on my H110! I'm still only using the stock NF A15 fan as well, I don't think I even need the second fan now.

Thank you so much for all the help doyll!

atomic7431 · 19 Aug 2016 at 11:13

This is looking good and exactly what I needed to see as my H100i pump has failed a few days ago as well and ive just received my nh-d15 I ordered to replace it.
Now I just need to strip me pc again...

doyll · 19 Aug 2016 at 11:19

I'm sure temps will go up when you work the GPU too, especially now with the 200mm front fan. I often build a divider between CPU and GPU to keep GPU heated exhaust from mixing with CPU's cool intake air. A piece of cardboard from about 20mm in front of GPU to about middle of CPU from motherboard to side cover usually does the trick. Sometimes the front needs to be a little closer to front of case and/or angled down so front intake fan can supply CPU cooler properly. This basic case airflow guilde might be of interest. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26159770&postcount=7

Monitoring cooler intake air temp lets us know how much the air is warming up from case intake to cooler intake. 2-5c increase is nice, but it is often 10-20c .. even higher when gaming.

N19h7m4r3 · 19 Aug 2016 at 11:33

doyll said:
I'm sure temps will go up when you work the GPU too, especially now with the 200mm front fan. I often build a divider between CPU and GPU to keep GPU heated exhaust from mixing with CPU's cool intake air. A piece of cardboard from about 20mm in front of GPU to about middle of CPU from motherboard to side cover usually does the trick. Sometimes the front needs to be a little closer to front of case and/or angled down so front intake fan can supply CPU cooler properly. This basic case airflow guilde might be of interest. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=26159770&postcount=7

Monitoring cooler intake air temp lets us know how much the air is warming up from case intake to cooler intake. 2-5c increase is nice, but it is often 10-20c .. even higher when gaming.

Oh my. Thanks!

I'll have to see my max load temps in Premiere Pro where both CPU and GPU will be underload, but thankfully the Fury X exhaust is going out the top front.

Temps are sure to rise, but even with a 10 degree increase it'll still be 10 degrees cooler than my H110i was in its prime. Although I'll certainly get a divider then, no point in the system running hotter when something simple can prevent it.

I'm sure the two new 140mm intake fans will help as well.

atomic7431 said:
This is looking good and exactly what I needed to see as my H100i pump has failed a few days ago as well and ive just received my nh-d15 I ordered to replace it.
Now I just need to strip me pc again...

Now that I've been looking it seems a good number of folks all around the net are reporting their H110/H100is are having pump failure.

They really aren't made to last.

doyll · 19 Aug 2016 at 12:04

N19h7m4r3 said:
Oh my. Thanks!

I'll have to see my max load temps in Premiere Pro where both CPU and GPU will be underload, but thankfully the Fury X exhaust is going out the top front.

Temps are sure to rise, but even with a 10 degree increase it'll still be 10 degrees cooler than my H110i was in its prime. Although I'll certainly get a divider then, no point in the system running hotter when something simple can prevent it.

I'm sure the two new 140mm intake fans will help as well.

I keep forgetting your GPU is CLC cooled.
Keep that in mind as the months tick by ..

PS: There are a few good air cooler options for GPUs, but none that are designed to keep their heated exhaust from mixing with cool intake air.

N19h7m4r3 · 19 Aug 2016 at 12:20

doyll said:
I keep forgetting your GPU is CLC cooled.
Keep that in mind as the months tick by ..
PS: There are a few good air cooler options for GPUs, but none that are designed to keep their heated exhaust from mixing with cool intake air.

Thankfully the Fury X is temporary until the new Vega flagship from AMD launches. After that the Fury X can become my father's problem when I put it in his solidworks machine

( He's been nagging me to upgrade his GTX 580 for a while now )

Although then I'll have to really worry about hot air mixing in. Usually AMD's reference exhaust coolers are terrible, and the open air blowers pump the entire chassis full of hot air.

I think I have a bit of a sweet spot at the moment, but will certainly be monitoring it more.

doyll · 19 Aug 2016 at 13:43

You might find this bottom filter mod of interest.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1418637/...club-for-lovers-owners/10220_20#post_24095206

oldestgregg · 21 Aug 2016 at 16:58

Ive been having the exact problems myself. Took out the H100i rad and shook it and temps dropped by 20 degrees. Temps rose again today and by tapping hard on the rad at the top it instantly dropped temps again. Looks like its buggered

doyll · 21 Aug 2016 at 18:17

oldestgregg said:
Ive been having the exact problems myself. Took out the H100i rad and shook it and temps dropped by 20 degrees. Temps rose again today and by tapping hard on the rad at the top it instantly dropped temps again. Looks like its buggered

I think you are the 3rd person with this problem in about a week.

Are you going to replace with CLC or change to air?

N19h7m4r3 · 23 Aug 2016 at 14:51

Alrighty, so I replaced the stock 200mm intake fan with two PH-F140SPs and I also have my other fans in the case now running ~30% slower.

Max peak temps under load are essentially the same despite all fans running a good deal slower. My Fury X pump is now quite noticeable.

My idle temps are 3-4 degrees warmer on the hottest cores, but it hardly matters. Max temps are great, and if I remove the overclock I drop down around 10 degrees at peak temps again.

Max temps with an overclock and extra voltage with new fans.

Max temps with the OC on old stock 200mm, but other 140mm fans running ~30% faster.

Edit: Here are real world temps while encoding a 4K 60fps video in Premiere Pro. My H110iGT with Noctua iPPC fans maxed around 69-72 degrees, and we all know how loud even Noctuas get at 1850RPM

doyll · 23 Aug 2016 at 15:27

Thanks for the update!
Don't worry too much about the pump noise. All CLCs have it. :rolleyes:

And when / if you do manage to get rid of that noise, you will hear another one. It's something all quite addicts have to deal with .. and why we have QAA meetings weekly and give out little plastic ears to each who has gone a month without doing anything to lower noise levels.

N19h7m4r3 · 23 Aug 2016 at 15:55

Just for curiosity's sake I decided to run my fans at my original profile, the as when I had the 200mm in.
The idle temps are to their normal amount, but at load there is a small difference. My two hottest cores are 1 degree cooler, with the rest being 3 degrees cooler on average.
One thing that's interesting is that the Fury X is 1 degree cooler as well with the two new fans. So even with it's radiator stuck above the optical bay the extra air flow is helping.

I think I'll lower the overall fan speeds again, there's barely an audible difference, maybe 1-2 dBa, but it's there.
Shame about the pump; and I hear you doyll. Now that my entire system is on average 10 dBa quieter at idle and much quieter under load I'm hearing all the little things now.

When my system boots up the first time now it sounds like a gush of wind through the room before it settles down.
Even then though, the old CLC sounded like a hornet's nest and rattle being chucked down a wind tunnel.

One other thing to note, is that my one cat has taken an extreme liking to my Enthoo Luxe. Especially lying down on the top mesh filter, which causes the Fury X fan to really ramp up to try and keep it cool.
Going to have to deter them from going near it.

doyll · 23 Aug 2016 at 16:21

I often get told I'm too harsh on CLC peeps when they say their systems are 'quiet', or worse say they are 'dead silent'.
Granted, in optimum conditions a CLC may only be 5db louder than air, but a 35db sound in a room at 30db that we are used to our ears really notice the difference .. it sounds like much more than just 5db difference.

We have 2x TY-150 fans positioned in our bedroom to circulate air at night. They are about 8-9 feet way from our heads and it takes a couple of nights of running when really warm weather starts to get used to them. They are only 34dB @ 1 meter in a 30dB room. 34dB at 1 meter is about 27dB at 2.5 meter, but it changes the room's sound profile.

N19h7m4r3 · 23 Aug 2016 at 16:36

doyll said:
I often get told I'm too harsh on CLC peeps when they say their systems are 'quiet', or worse say they are 'dead silent'.
Granted, in optimum conditions a CLC may only be 5db louder than air, but a 35db sound in a room at 30db that we are used to our ears really notice the difference .. it sounds like much more than just 5db difference.

We have 2x TY-150 fans positioned in our bedroom to circulate air at night. They are about 8-9 feet way from our heads and it takes a couple of nights of running when really warm weather starts to get used to them. They are only 34dB @ 1 meter in a 30dB room. 34dB at 1 meter is about 27dB at 2.5 meter, but it changes the room's sound profile.

Oh certainly!

Under AIDA 64 my entire sytem can be heard ramping up a bit; and despite the F14SP's being rated at 19dBa I find them quite loud at max RPMs. Mostly due to the font intake mesh restricting air flow.

The worst offender under load has to be the Fury X, I have a rather aggressive fan profile on it to keep it around 60 degrees, and while the Gentle Typhoon fan on it is rather quiet; it does have a higher pitched sound than the rest of the fans.

So once it reaches anything over 40% fan speed you can really hear it. Mix that with the pump noise and it's rather noticeable from my chair.
I recently had a driver bug where the fan got pegged at 100% ~3000RPM and even then it was quieter than my old CLC's stock fans.
Main issue there is that extremely high pitch it emits then.

I find it very hard to believe some people when they say their systems are dead silent though. Often times people get conditioned to the noise, and forget it's there. I'm a prime example of that, I considered my old system was quiet at idle.

I have a friend that would consider my current system loud, where as I consider it just audible; I am sitting almost right next to it however.