CPU TEMPS TOO HIGH , HELP!

mkohman · 6 Jul 2011 at 16:07

Hey Guys,

I have an Antec P183 Case and an intel i7 920 with an Corsair H50 cooler.. I installed real temp to check my temps and whils idle they are around 65-72 degrees ??? I purchased IC thermal paste 24 Carrot one and applied that today and they are still running at similar temps?

The only overclocking I did to my Gigabyte EX58 UD5 motherboard is change the:

CPU CLOCK RATIO X20
BCLK FREQ TO X 190 - for a 3.80 GHZ Overclock
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Disabled Turbo boost Tech
Performance Enhance to Standard

The rest is all on Auto.. didn't mess with voltages left all on auto..

On the Corsair H50 I have a 120mm Noctua Fan blowing air full speed into the radiator.. Shall I add another 120mm fan the other side blowing aire into the radiator again or shall I make one blow air in and the other to blow air out of the radiator.. will this make any difference? Also are my Overclocking settings ok or shall I change them ?

Thanks for all your help..

Plec · 6 Jul 2011 at 16:17

Something is fundementally wrong if your idle temps are 72 degrees.

How did you apply the TIM - and have you checked that the HS feels/is securely in place.

I would start again - take off the H50 HS and clean off the paste (using appropriate cleaner/cloth - e.g. IPA and paper towel/earbuds) and start again.

And depending on how you have your radiotor/fan setup - check that the fan is either:

pushing air through the radiator to the outside of the case
or pulling air from the outside of the case through the radiotor inside the case.

I would also save your clock in a profile for now and revert the system to stock while you have this problem. And then introduce the clock once your temps are stable.

Additional: What is your vCore?

EDIT:

mkohman said:
add another 120mm fan the other side blowing aire into the radiator again

No, the fans need to compliment each other - not work against each other.

mkohman said:
addshall I make one blow air in and the other to blow air out of the radiator.. will this make any difference?

Yes, if you added another fan you need to run a push/pull setup - e.g. one pushing air through the rad and the other fan oriantated so that it pulls air through - so that they compliment each other and increase the overall airflow through the rad.

mkohman · 6 Jul 2011 at 16:38

Plec said:
Yes, if you added another fan you need to run a push/pull setup - e.g. one pushing air through the rad and the other fan oriantated so that it pulls air through - so that they compliment each other and increase the overall airflow through the rad.

Thank you for your help really appreciate this.. I am sure I did the termal paste correctly .. I spread it evenly and the H50 is tightley screwed on and is all perfectly fitted .. I have one 120mm at the moment which is screwed to the back of the case .. it is bringing air into the radiator.. shall I reverse this and make it blow air out of the radiator from the back of the case and then introduce another 120mm fan from the right side of the radiator blowing air into the radiator? do you think this may help?

My vcor is auto but when I check CPU-z its around 1.325 or 1.365 something like this..

Thanks for your advice..

Plec · 6 Jul 2011 at 16:51

IC Diamond recommend that you use the blob method for their product - link.

However, if you applied a thin coating this still wouldn't explain such high idle temps.

When you coated the the CPU how much did you put on - there's a chance you applied too much or too little?

My initial response is still to suggest that you reseat the whole unit - and re-apply the paste as shown in the example link.

Your fan orientation sounds fine - as long as you have another fan taking air out out the case - do you have th eoptional top fan installed, extracting air?

If you only have fans bringing air into the case (i'e the 2 front fans) you could setup the H50's fan so that it pushes air through the rad and out of the case. But again this still doesn't explain your present temps.

Reaper 392 · 6 Jul 2011 at 16:56

where have you plugged the lead that comes from the pump/waterblock into? a common mistake is to plug that into the CPU_FAN socket, which would cause really high temps at idle. it needs to be getting full power all the time

Plec · 6 Jul 2011 at 17:00

Reaper 392 said:
where have you plugged the lead that comes from the pump/waterblock into? a common mistake is to plug that into the CPU_FAN socket, which would cause really high temps at idle. it needs to be getting full power all the time

Reaper makes a valid point - and one that i missed - make sure you've checked for the above first.

This could/would explain your problem - as the coolent/water woudn't be circulating fast enough to cool the CPU.

However, if you have got the full amount of juice running to the pump - you need to consider re-seating.

mkohman · 6 Jul 2011 at 17:06

Thanks for all your help guys.. indeed I plugged the wire coming from the H50 pump into the CPU fan

shall I plug that into the case fan and the fan that airs the rad into the cpu fan? Please advise?

Also I tried to evenly spread the IC Diamond paste to the whole cpu which I now see was the wrong method.. I thought this wasnt right as it is so thick and almost like silicone.. I may have applied too much .. I will definitely remove the paste and apply a blob in the centre after cleaning the cpu. I will also introduce another fan and make a push pull configuration from case into the radiator and then from radiator out of the case. just hope there is another fan power unit to plug it in.. I have the top fan 120mm pushing air out of the case and one 120mm in the front puching air into the case..

thanks for all your help and advice.. do you think I will be ok once I applied these methods? Many thanks

Plec · 6 Jul 2011 at 17:11

I would test the system with the pump getting the full amount of juice first, as although spreading isn't the best application method, for ICD, it will suffice 'if' you didn't put too much on.

Attach the pump to a molex, via an adapter, as this will ensure it gets the full 12V. Or you could look in the BIOS and check if you have the option to run the CPU/sys header at 100%.

Additional: Your fan setup sounds OK - and once you have the pump running at full pelt, and you know for sure that you have the correct amount of TIM applied, you may be pleasantly surprised by your temps (they'll certainly be a lot better than they are now). But a push/pull setup would improve performance and it also gives you the option of reducing the fan speed for a similar performance of a one fan setup - if you want a quiter system.

OLDPHART · 6 Jul 2011 at 17:35

As above the pump needs 12v to work properly use a molex or look at your motherbroad manual look for a PWR Header they are 12v. If your case has agood air flow, have the fan blowing the hot air of the rad out of the case.

mkohman · 6 Jul 2011 at 17:50

thanks for all your great help guys.. please can one of you guys advise me if its ok to plug it into the motherboards system fan pins or must I get a molexconvertor? If so which pin can I plug it in? I have the Gigabyte EX58 UD5 (Rev 1.0) mobo .. otherwise please can you show me what this molex adaptor looks like please?

Many Thanks.. much appreciated

Reaper 392 · 6 Jul 2011 at 18:08

it will be fine to plug it into your motherboard. you will have to check in the BIOS that the 3 pin connectors are giving out full power. im not sure how you do this, but im sure someone can give you step by step instructions for it

otherwise, you will want something like this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-012-AK&groupid=1929&catid=153&subcat=

you can plug either a male molex or a female molex connector into it to supply power (it has slots for either) to the three pin cable from your pump.

my case has one of those exact cables to power the front intake fan

mkohman · 6 Jul 2011 at 18:11

Reaper 392 said:
it will be fine to plug it into your motherboard. you will have to check in the BIOS that the 3 pin connectors are giving out full power. im not sure how you do this, but im sure someone can give you step by step instructions for it

otherwise, you will want something like this:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CB-012-AK&groupid=1929&catid=153&subcat=

you can plug either a male molex or a female molex connector into it to supply power (it has slots for either) to the three pin cable from your pump.

my case has one of those exact cables to power the front intake fan

Thats great. thank you will check to see if I have a spare molex with the adaptor.. also can anyone here please gide me how to do this in bios if possible? I am using the F13j bios on the Gigabyte EX58 UD5 mobo..
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Just a quick note.. just to confirm I shouldn't plug the cable from the pump into the cpu fan socket on the mobo is that correct? I should plug it into the system fan socket right? Thanks

Reaper 392 · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:08

mkohman said:
Just a quick note.. just to confirm I shouldn't plug the cable from the pump into the cpu fan socket on the mobo is that correct? I should plug it into the system fan socket right? Thanks

correct

Plec · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:10

You should, hopefully, now see a dramatic performance boost in your cooling.

Plus, you may not have to re-seat but post back with your idle and load temps - use 'Core Temp' to monitor your temps under load while running prime 95.

EDIT: But only run the prime test if your idle temps are below 40...

OLDPHART · 6 Jul 2011 at 19:55

Hi again, my mobo is a x58a ud5, you have a PWR HEADER its on the right hand near the top it supplies 12V, l see you did not bother to check your mobo manual like l suggested.

Check your manual to find it as there is another header close to it.

mkohman · 6 Jul 2011 at 20:14

Thanks guys.. sorry I wasn't being lazy I am just not at home.. I am still at work and finish ealry hrs in morning 02:00 am .. I will definitely do this tomorrow morning.. I shall try this before I take the h50 coller off the cpu and re apply the IC Diamond 24 c paste see how it is if still high I will; re apply the paste.. and try again..
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Thanks OLDPHART.. Shall I just plug it into that input as you say? will I need to configure it in Bios or is this already on 12 v? Thanks buddy.. Also which overclock settings would you reccomend for a fellow mobo user? I have the interl i7 920 and 12 gb ram Corsair XMS 3 6 x 2 GB timings are 9 9 9 24 on the ram.. Thanks

OLDPHART · 7 Jul 2011 at 02:23

Hi mkohman, theres an easier way > leave the Pump 4 pin Header on CPU_Header > mobo manual > page 59 look at the bottom of the page and read > CPU SMART FAN CONTROL > Note the Bottom line > If disabled, the CPU will run at Full Speed [default Enabled] This works m8 as l have my Water Pump running of it.

So go to Main Menu of Bios > scroll down to the Bottom > Enter PC Health Status > scroll down to the 2nd bottom one, you'll come to CPU Smart Fan Control > it will be Enabled by default > Disable It.

Job Sorted, Check your pump speed.

mkohman · 7 Jul 2011 at 15:44

OLDPHART said:
Hi mkohman, theres an easier way > leave the Pump 4 pin Header on CPU_Header > mobo manual > page 59 look at the bottom of the page and read > CPU SMART FAN CONTROL > Note the Bottom line > If disabled, the CPU will run at Full Speed [default Enabled] This works m8 as l have my Water Pump running of it.

So go to Main Menu of Bios > scroll down to the Bottom > Enter PC Health Status > scroll down to the 2nd bottom one, you'll come to CPU Smart Fan Control > it will be Enabled by default > Disable It.

Job Sorted, Check your pump speed.

Thanks for the tip but this morning I already replaced it to the power fan which is where you told me yesterday to the right side of the cpu .. and I believe its fully working now as its readin 1400 rpm..

Also my temps are 35-38 in idle .. I also did the IC Diamond 24 carrot application in the blob style and seems a lot better now .. My GOD that was so hard to clean from cpu and heat sink.. its sooo thick

Please can you let me know what overclock settings I should use if you dont mind?
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Also I purchased a new 128GB Crucial M4 SSD and the first thing I did was to flash the firmware to 002 version which is the latest version.. After this I also purchased an Asus U3S6 card which supports SATA III 6gbps placed it onto the mobo x 4 PCI card.. This is what I wanted to ask you it says x 4 PCI slot but you can put on the x 8 and the x 16 PCI slot .. However when I contacted Asus to ask what would be the best slot to use he says you can use any but the cards limits are x 4 PCI so there is no poin and there will be no gain in speed or performance even if you plug it in the x 16 PCI slot .. is this correct ? Please can you guys advise? Many Thanks..

Reaper 392 · 7 Jul 2011 at 17:05

mkohman said:
Thanks for the tip but this morning I already replaced it to the power fan which is where you told me yesterday to the right side of the cpu .. and I believe its fully working now as its readin 1400 rpm.. Also my temps are 35-38 in idle .. I also did the IC Diamond 24 carrot application in the blob style and seems a lot better now .. My GOD that was so hard to clean from cpu and heat sink.. its sooo thick

Please can you let me know what overclock settings I should use if you dont mind?
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Also I purchased a new 128GB Crucial M4 SSD and the first thing I did was to flash the firmware to 002 version which is the latest version.. After this I also purchased an Asus U3S6 card which supports SATA III 6gbps placed it onto the mobo x 4 PCI card.. This is what I wanted to ask you it says x 4 PCI slot but you can put on the x 8 and the x 16 PCI slot .. However when I contacted Asus to ask what would be the best slot to use he says you can use any but the cards limits are x 4 PCI so there is no poin and there will be no gain in speed or performance even if you plug it in the x 16 PCI slot .. is this correct ? Please can you guys advise? Many Thanks..

you have the connectors in the right place. what OLDPHART was recommending would mean the fan would be running at full speed all the time, because you would have disabled the changing fan speed in relation to CPU temp

for overclock settings i have literally no idea

the addon card you have cannot work at higher than x4 speeds as it only has an x4 connector. x16 and x8 slots just happen to be backwards compatable with the smaller slots.

your controller card, being an x4 will have a connector at the bottom similar to this one:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CC-022-HP_400.jpg
if you look at the majority of graphics cards, they have x16 connectors. these are exactly the same as x4's, but extended:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/GX-129-MS_400.jpg

the card will not run any faster if it was put in an x16 slot as it doesnt have the extra connections of an x16 connector (because it doesnt need them)

mkohman · 7 Jul 2011 at 17:22

Reaper 392 said:
you have the connectors in the right place. what OLDPHART was recommending would mean the fan would be running at full speed all the time, because you would have disabled the changing fan speed in relation to CPU temp

for overclock settings i have literally no idea

the addon card you have cannot work at higher than x4 speeds as it only has an x4 connector. x16 and x8 slots just happen to be backwards compatable with the smaller slots.

your controller card, being an x4 will have a connector at the bottom similar to this one:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/CC-022-HP_400.jpg
if you look at the majority of graphics cards, they have x16 connectors. these are exactly the same as x4's, but extended:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/pimg/GX-129-MS_400.jpg

the card will not run any faster if it was put in an x16 slot as it doesnt have the extra connections of an x16 connector (because it doesnt need them)

Thanks a lot bro.. makes a lot more sense now you put it that way

thank you..

Also do you think my temps being at 35-38 with non overclocked settings is ok , normal? thanks!