Crazy fires in Los Angeles

[Combat squirrel]

You cannot understand that while climate change is real, it is not the cause of the fires here, this is where you have succumb to the rhetoric and are unable to think rationally.

Jesus, people like yourself having the vote is why trumps going to rape the usa again - possibly to the point of world conflict if he gets his way. I cannot fathom how a human mind works with such bizarre views of the reality around them.

Thinking rationally is tracing back root causes siting evidence. Did a magic gremlin chanting 'I'm the embodied form of global warming' manifest in the countryside around LA, carrying a petrol can and a lighter start the fires? No, no it did not - which answers your daft point.

Did the entire global shift in climate over the past 100 years, irrevocably set up the circumstances under which LA bush fires would extremely likely happen quite often ? Yes, yes it did.

Could the bush fires have happened if humans didnt exist at all and hadn't burned trillions of barrels of oil into the atmosphere ? Of course they could.

However, because we did do that, the % chance of it being so hot it almost certainly contributed to bush fires is undeniable - so high the insurance industry wasn't willing to bet a few billion on it - again, moral leeches, but they aren't stupid, evil yes, stupid, no.

What you're not even trying to understand is, its a % game, the chance of this happening in the next 5 years is say, 90% likely, because climate change has created the environment for it - if humans didnt exist, it maybe 25% likely................you're not grasping that its not black and white, its a contributing factor, ergo by definition, it exists.

 

[Werewolf]

Why don't they just turn it up then?!

Because the pipes aren't designed for more pressures? (they'll have some spare capacity, but push too hard and you start losing a lot of water through nearly bursting valved and pipes as ones that were close to failing give up, and existing minor failures get worse)
Because the pumps can't cope with more pressure? (they have a maximum pressure rating and maximum flow rates they can cope with before either they max out, or worse, they burn out).
Because there isn't enough water to increase the pressure?

IIRC there was a warning yesterday about the water quality telling people to boil it as they were trying to increase the flow rate, but and this is something that is pretty important to note, the same water that is being used to put out the fires is normally used for daily activities such as washing, drinking, and cooking, to increase the amount of water available to use in the fires you need to pass more through the water treatment plants, that means unless you've got a lot of very expensive excess capacity there you're going to be lowering the water quality which is both a short and medium term problem for public health (once the fires are over if they lower the quality too much they'll need to flush the pipe network to clear out any bacteria etc that made it into it).

Water supplies to a city tend to be based on average usage and small localised peaks such as a fire at a couple of buildings, the potential need to run thousands of full bore fire hoses at once is not something even the best run cities with plentiful water supplies tend to be able to do, as each fire hose can be using the equivalent of hundreds of residential properties with their taps fully open, and even if the primary incoming supply can cope with that, the actual street pipes can't if you need those hoses too close together.
This ignores the problem of actually moving water up hundreds of meters at a time, or the losses in water as properties burn down with water then being released through damaged pipes, or the damage that the fires might be doing to the water infrastructure (either direct damage to pipe and pumps, or cutting power to pumps).


To cope with this sort of fire scenario the city would like have needed many times the normal capacity for water, including a very large ready reserve of instantly available additional water and to be massively over provisioned for normal use.
Guess what, people tend not to like to pay for that sort of extra "wasted capacity", let alone the disruption that would be required over years as basically you either dig up every single existing pipe and valve and replace them, then knock down commercial or residential properties to build a load of pumps, or you spend almost as long but causing even more disruption as you lay in an entirely new separate "fire supply" system that is only used every few years at most.
Then of course you have to maintain these new, bigger and higher pressure pipes and valves that need a higher level of maintenance than the lower pressure versions.

 

[dlockers]

Because the pipes aren't designed for more pressures? (they'll have some spare capacity, but push too hard and you start losing a lot of water through nearly bursting valved and pipes as ones that were close to failing give up, and existing minor failures get worse)
Because the pumps can't cope with more pressure? (they have a maximum pressure rating and maximum flow rates they can cope with before either they max out, or worse, they burn out).
Because there isn't enough water to increase the pressure?

IIRC there was a warning yesterday about the water quality telling people to boil it as they were trying to increase the flow rate, but and this is something that is pretty important to note, the same water that is being used to put out the fires is normally used for daily activities such as washing, drinking, and cooking, to increase the amount of water available to use in the fires you need to pass more through the water treatment plants, that means unless you've got a lot of very expensive excess capacity there you're going to be lowering the water quality which is both a short and medium term problem for public health (once the fires are over if they lower the quality too much they'll need to flush the pipe network to clear out any bacteria etc that made it into it).

Water supplies to a city tend to be based on average usage and small localised peaks such as a fire at a couple of buildings, the potential need to run thousands of full bore fire hoses at once is not something even the best run cities with plentiful water supplies tend to be able to do, as each fire hose can be using the equivalent of hundreds of residential properties with their taps fully open, and even if the primary incoming supply can cope with that, the actual street pipes can't if you need those hoses too close together.
This ignores the problem of actually moving water up hundreds of meters at a time, or the losses in water as properties burn down with water then being released through damaged pipes, or the damage that the fires might be doing to the water infrastructure (either direct damage to pipe and pumps, or cutting power to pumps).


To cope with this sort of fire scenario the city would like have needed many times the normal capacity for water, including a very large ready reserve of instantly available additional water and to be massively over provisioned for normal use.
Guess what, people tend not to like to pay for that sort of extra "wasted capacity", let alone the disruption that would be required over years as basically you either dig up every single existing pipe and valve and replace them, then knock down commercial or residential properties to build a load of pumps, or you spend almost as long but causing even more disruption as you lay in an entirely new separate "fire supply" system that is only used every few years at most.
Then of course you have to maintain these new, bigger and higher pressure pipes and valves that need a higher level of maintenance than the lower pressure versions.

Wowza man, I meant turn the GRAVITY up. I will digest the rest of the post because it is probably interesting though.

 

[Uther]

The police are arresting looters dressed as firefighters now. Humanity eh.

 

[platinum87]

Jesus, people like yourself having the vote is why trumps going to rape the usa again - possibly to the point of world conflict if he gets his way. I cannot fathom how a human mind works with such bizarre views of the reality around them.

Thinking rationally is tracing back root causes siting evidence. Did a magic gremlin chanting 'I'm the embodied form of global warming' manifest in the countryside around LA, carrying a petrol can and a lighter start the fires? No, no it did not - which answers your daft point.

Did the entire global shift in climate over the past 100 years, irrevocably set up the circumstances under which LA bush fires would extremely likely happen quite often ? Yes, yes it did.

Could the bush fires have happened if humans didnt exist at all and hadn't burned trillions of barrels of oil into the atmosphere ? Of course they could.

However, because we did do that, the % chance of it being so hot it almost certainly contributed to bush fires is undeniable - so high the insurance industry wasn't willing to bet a few billion on it - again, moral leeches, but they aren't stupid, evil yes, stupid, no.

What you're not even trying to understand is, its a % game, the chance of this happening in the next 5 years is say, 90% likely, because climate change has created the environment for it - if humans didnt exist, it maybe 25% likely................you're not grasping that its not black and white, its a contributing factor, ergo by definition, it exists.

The chance increase due to global climate changes is not relevant as i have been saying, that is a human environment, humans manage it, the chance of a big fire like this should be 0% if managed properly.

You can read but due to your emotional state being unstable you cannot finish sentences which leads you to jump to conclusions having zero understanding of the underlying reasons for these fires.

Only climate rhetoric which has blinded you to everything else, just the science.

 

[Jokester]

The police are arresting looters dressed as firefighters now. Humanity eh.

Yeah I saw some twitters post (might have been posted in this thread actually) of "firefighters" carrying things out of peoples houses and the X poster saying what heroes they were for saving peoples irreplaceble personal belongings, I had my suspicions!