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Crossfire questions.

ALXAndy said:
Because the case is awesome. and I like it because it's compact and the cooling is excellent; contrary to what people think.
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That's debatable tbh, imo it looks hideous and I'm sorry I can't believe the cooling is great especially with two hot running video cards in there.

ALXAndy said:
The motherboard in it is an MSI, so will do 4ghz easy.
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What an earth does it being a MSI have anything to do with it :confused:

ALXAndy said:
I don't want a monstrosity in my house. I've owned pretty much every decent case there is to have
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You've owned every decent case there is to have and yet you thought that contraption was the best out of all of them? Really :confused: If you're going to run high end card(s) then why would you not want to give them room to breathe?

Your posts just get more and more bizarre as the days go by, full of contradictions and strange ideas :p
 
I agree coupe his logic is baffling at times. According to him a gtx580 classified comes in 10% cheaper than a 7970 but its still £500 on this site. I dont know what price hes getting it for though but i know from ocuk theres at least 2 7970's cheaper than £500. The 7970 is a much better buy when you get into this kind of money bracket imho. I would not want to go crossfire or sli with that case.

I would bank the money and see what prices are like in a month or 2 for both the gtx580 and 7970.
 
coupe69 said:
You've owned every decent case there is to have and yet you thought that contraption was the best out of all of them? Really :confused: If you're going to run high end card(s) then why would you not want to give them room to breathe?

Your posts just get more and more bizarre as the days go by, full of contradictions and strange ideas :p
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Hang on a minute. How many Alienwares have you owned?

If that's none then please, don't make comments on things you know absolutely nothing about.

This case, for GPU cooling, is among the best I have ever used.

How could it not be. It has an electronically controlled Delta just over an inch in front of the GPUs drawing air through a scoop in the front. It has a cased duct so that air can not escape, and it blasts straight past the GPU exhausting heat out of the back.

When I say I don't want more heat I mean, I don't want more heat - period. You know? what goes up and all that. Basically that heat has to go somewhere and it's usually into my 2.5x3m room and turns it into a sauna.
 
TheRealDeal said:
I agree coupe his logic is baffling at times. According to him a gtx580 classified comes in 10% cheaper than a 7970 but its still £500 on this site. I dont know what price hes getting it for though but i know from ocuk theres at least 2 7970's cheaper than £500. The 7970 is a much better buy when you get into this kind of money bracket imho. I would not want to go crossfire or sli with that case.

I would bank the money and see what prices are like in a month or 2 for both the gtx580 and 7970.
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I can get one for £440 if I don't want to wait, or, *calculates* £358.75 if I don't mind waiting 10 days.

As for the 7970? well, there have been numerous rumours that there are arguments happening with AMD and vendors over price. How is it that I could find a VTX 7970 on launch day for £420, yet others are pushing £500?

Furthermore, why are the prices rising already?

That's the kind of gouging skank I really want nothing to do with.
 
Yeah I may do that. I saw that card you posted for £420 on release day.

I know OCUK are usually slightly more expensive but they do have their specials :) Will leave it for now I think.
 
This thread fair made me laugh, now I've stopped and climbed back on the chair, I can tell you this.

As most of the questions have been answered bar your last one so far, so yes the top card gets warmer with more than 1 screen enabled.

Before I get told my coolers are rubbish *ahem*ALXAndy, my PC resides in a small cupboard under the stairs so it has very poor ventilation, right now top card is 53c, bottom 40c, junior is watching cartoons on the TV while I type this on the second monitor.

On a single screen, your looking at ~44c for the top card, 40c for the bottom.

Oh and I don't think 2 non venting cards are going to like the case one bit, so they will run even warmer than normal.

For about the same money as a 580, you can get the deal of the day frozr III and a new case like the Akasa Venom Toxic Full Tower Gaming Case @£99 that has loads of vents at the side for the cards.

Still loving my CrossFire.

Remember it's rubbish though.;)
 
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Thanks Tommy. I'm 100% decided against Crossfire.

I bit the bullet a few days ago and bought the first TV I have owned in the UK in 12 years. Well, I have been back in the UK for closing in on four years but always used a media PC. I really liked the idea of the TVs now though as they have USB sockets which pretty much make them do everything a media PC can do without the power consumption.

Sooo, Ideally I want to output to the TV aswell.

With Crossfire ruled out (had a long think about it and I really don't want to go back there tbh) and the GTX 580 ruled out (as it turns into a toaster when you add a second display) that pretty much limits it to the 7970.

The thing is, I just don't think it's worth the asking price right now.

Ugh, I dunno. Computers eh?
 
No problem ALXAndy, I forgot to mention that the only thing venting any air in my setup during browsing/Media use, is the 920 Khuler at those temps, when gaming I switch on either 3 or 6 Apaches to vent air using a NesteQ FanMax.

I wouldn't get the 7970 myself for 1080p over your current gpu, it runs about 580 speeds doesn't it iirc, so 7970 won't give you that much of an improvement.

I would either get 2 ssd's(1 Windows and the other for games, you'll never look back) or wait a few months to see what Keplar brings to the table if indeed your gaming @1080p.
 
I have SSDs :D

I really can't wait for this winter to be over man. One of the poo things about living a mile from the seafront. Winter is dead, and if you go outside the wind cuts you a new one :D
 
ALXAndy said:
Hang on a minute. How many Alienwares have you owned?

If that's none then please, don't make comments on things you know absolutely nothing about.

This case, for GPU cooling, is among the best I have ever used.

How could it not be. It has an electronically controlled Delta blah, blah, blah, blah............
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Ah yes, I'm sorry, I stand corrected, I totally forgot Alienware were considered such a premium brand in high end computer chassis.

I'm presuming your Alienware case is also considerably better than, I dunno let's say a Silverstone FT02B? what with it's electronically controlled Delta fans and all........
 
Save the money and get an awesome new computer when kepler and ivybridge launch. I am tempted to buy upgrades all the time but i try to fight it...
 
I had Xfire ATI 5870's and to be honest when it works it works great! However as i previously posted about some of the frame rate dips were a PITA. Since then though i have had to RMA one of the 5870's due to screen corruption. Wether this may have been a factor i doubt it but cant rule it out.

I currently game at 1080p and can't see myself getting a new monitor for higher resolutions any time soon so I am struggling myself on what card to buy also.

My current thinking is going for either:

6970 and then Xfire when more become available 2nd hand
6950 and hope i can enabled the extra shaders then Xfire or
2nd Hand GTX580 or
OCUK 7970

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coupe69 said:
Ah yes, I'm sorry, I stand corrected, I totally forgot Alienware were considered such a premium brand in high end computer chassis.

I'm presuming your Alienware case is also considerably better than, I dunno let's say a Silverstone FT02B? what with it's electronically controlled Delta fans and all........
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So I take that as a no then? you've never owned one?

Thought so.

So basically it comes down to the fact that you don't like Alienware. I mean sheesh, at least be honest and say you just don't like the look, or the company, or that rich kids spend their parents' life savings on them without even realising what it is they're buying.

GPU cooling is taken care of as I said by this. A 5900 or so RPM Delta fan.

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It draws air in via the front, which is a large open duct. Then, you close off the ducts so that the air is drawn in and goes directly past the GPU, forcing all the hot air out of the back.

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Then you have a thermal management system like this, which is all PIC controlled.

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You simply set all of the fans to a specific setting (say 20% on all) and save the profile. Then it's just a hot key. So for example I am playing a game, GPUs are starting to get hot, press a programmed macro key on my KB, airflow up.


As micro ATX cases go (infact tbh I prefer them any way as they can pressurise the air more than a London Underground case (see - Corsair 800D)

The motherboard is an SLI/RAID etc MSI affair. It's basically the same identical layout and config as a Rampage Gene is it? the X58 micro by Asus.

I don't have room in here for a large case and nor would I want one. Been there, seen it, had some awful cases. That includes a Temjin, a Corsair 800D, a Bitfenix Survivor (which wasn't bad one you take out the hard drive rack) and so on.

For air cooling it's as good as it needs to be, ever.

So, unless you are "trolling" is it they call it? stop going on about it.

I didn't ask about what case I should switch to, nor what motherboard I should get. This board will drive the 950 to 4.2ghz and has every option I could possibly need. The power supply is an 875w 80+ Silver Newton labs unit, so again is more than I could ever need.

BTW I tell you what's great. People who hate Alienware. I love it, really makes me laugh. If they were so poor and as bad as all of the people who have never had one say then they would have gone out of business years ago. Fact is they haven't and, Dell saw them as such a threat they bought them out for millions of dollars. And they're still here. So they must be doing something right.


xsistor said:
Save the money and get an awesome new computer when kepler and ivybridge launch. I am tempted to buy upgrades all the time but i try to fight it...
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I've considered it tbh. Could easily afford the Maximus Gene (£150) and a 2600k and 8gb ram. Thing is the 950 is more than good enough for gaming.
 
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ALXAndy said:
BTW I tell you what's great. People who hate Alienware. I love it, really makes me laugh. If they were so poor and as bad as all of the people who have never had one say then they would have gone out of business years ago. Fact is they haven't and, Dell saw them as such a threat they bought them out for millions of dollars. And they're still here. So they must be doing something right.
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Gotta say, having spent the best part of 5.5k on an my current Alienware rig it would be my honest advice to anyone that they should stear clear of them. I pretty quickly realised it was a short sighted decision to go that route, it's simply a fact that your money will go a whole lot further if you avoid them.

I've had plenty of problems, and while on one hand the support has been decent (given the size of the company they had no issue replacing each component piece by piece, then the whole system itself), but on the other hand some of the technicians they sent out were so incredibly stupid it's not even funny. I had to show more than one of them how to get the damn side panel off.

I don't hate the company, but I know what I got for my money in terms of product and service, as such I do think most of the criticisms are well justified. As you say, they're still around so they must be doing something right, you just can't argue when people say they got similar or better spec for much less cost.
 
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