Crysis!

[MeMeMeMe]

what kind of performance gain have you gotten by adding a second 5850?

Not as much as in any other game I tried.
At 1920x1200, without any mods and no config file:
All settings on High (no AA but the edge_AA you get at High automatically):
Single card: 51-ish
Crossfire: 57-ish
So not much more than a 10% increase there. It's worth turning the settings up a bit more though:

All settings on very high (same AA as above):
Single card: 30-ish
Crossfire 37-ish
So 25% increase. More importantly, this feels smoother. I did find when motion blur is very high, the game occasionally freezes when I turn rapidly - that happens whether single or crossfire. So I drop it to Medium.

I can't help feeling I should be getting more than 25% though...

Although it does let me pile on the mods - natural mod, that big texture pack, HD foliage, and only lose 1-2 fps. Whereas my experience of trying them before getting the second card wasn't fun.
I haven't done much playing with the mods yet since getting the new card, so don't know how smooth they'll be in play or whether I'll have to turn some settings down from Very High yet.

 

[Nexus18]

I totally agree with deific as well, when it comes to FPS, especially with crysis.

25 FPS is playable and is smooth for crysis IMO, although the only time, I would notice any slowness or lag is when there is a lot of action going on, as in explosions, smoke, gunfire etc.

Also, I always turn off motion blur as personally I really don't like it at all, ruins the game for me and also I find that it causes a lot of lag, especially when you do quick turns and if you turn it off, it increases the minimum FPS and average FPS, well for me it does anyway. Just makes it smoother overall I find.

Personally for me, I like to have a minimum of 30 FPS for every game, IMO, I don't see any need for anything higher than 60FPS as I find games that play at around 45 FPS no different to anything higher than 60 tbph.

But then again everyone has different preferences.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

I agree on the FPS, too. 30, 25, or even 20 is perfectly adequate for smooth play depending on the game. Some games are demanding enough to put a heavy graphic load on all the time, even when nothing much is happening, then a few extra monsters or explosions or whatever tend not to inflict much extra load so not much of a slow down.

I remember playing Doom 3 with an average of 22 fps, and apart from one or two areas late in the game, it was perfectly smooth.

 

[tommybhoy]

so why does mine get a solid 30fps when I havent got fraps/mods running? People were maxing out crysis (everything on very high with max aa/af) with 8800 cards and getting 15fps at resolutions of 1024x768. Of course the high end cards now are going to be able to max it at higher resolutions when they have huge increases in performance over 8xxx series.

Toms Hardware Benchmark of a 5850, shows 26.6fps @ 1920x1200 and 32fps @ 1680x1050. Not to mention that you can get a factory overclocked one for dirt cheap now that will add a 3-5fps gain over those results, if you don't want to clock your own. This is on top of the fact that, you know, I actually have one and can see for myself.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5850,2433-6.html


The amount of garbage some people on this forum spew out of their mouth about needing the highest end kit to do everything is just ridiculous - and still no matter what evidence I put forward to dissprove what they say, they come back with none of their own and more ignorant and uninformed statements about what they think it might run like.

First off you are telling us you get a solid 30fps over Toms Hardware benchmark that gets 26fps, which consists of a i7-975 Extreme@ 4Ghz, 6 Gb, memory, and an Intel 160Gb SSD? Straight away you are losing at least 3fps over the i7.

I highlighted the wrong settings, it was meant to be the No AF

This crysis benchmark which has 2 AA and 8 AF which is still not maxed out, a 5870, which is faster than a 5850 hits minimums of 19fps

http://www.bjorn3d.com/read.php?cID=1963&pageID=9890

Far from being ignorant and uninformed due to my previous card being a 5870, which could not max out Crysis at 1920. Yes it could hit high fps, but it would also hit a brick wall at times too. If you look at the 580, it hits 20fps at times too.

 

[Deific]

I don't see what you're trying to say? The benchmarks you just pasted confirms everything I've said.

The GPU benchmarks, with the first picture showing a 5850 getting 27fps at 1920x1200 and 32fps at 1680x1050. Bring the resolution to the middle at 1080 and it's logical you'd gain 2-3fps over the 1920x1080 and lose 2-3fps next to the 1680x1050, putting you smack at 30fps.

The second picture shows a 5870 getting 28fps, again at a higher resolution than I am using. Once again, considering my card is clocked and I'm on a smaller res it makes sense that i would be getting about the same. The fact it dropped to 19fps is in line with what I showed earlier when mine dropped to 13fps.

Don't really know why you pasted the CPU bench, but there's something not right there. The below benches seem to confirm this as they all come up with similar results to one another, which are vastly different from bit-techs.

 

[tommybhoy]

I don't see what you're trying to say? The benchmarks you just pasted confirms everything I've said.

Once again, considering my card is clocked and I'm on a smaller res it makes sense that i would be getting about the same.

Although you are OC the 5870 has 1600 Processing Cores to your 1440, they do make a difference!

Don't really know why you pasted the CPU bench, but there's something not right there.

To show that your setup would give less fps than i7-975 setup which has faster cpu, more memory and a ssd, which all help to improve performance of the 5870 in the benchmark over your setup! If you used a 5870 in your setup it would have a lower maximum fps, which was used in the benchmark you referred to. So to reduce the resolution from 1900*1200 to 1920*1080 I will give you back your 3fps difference for talking sake which still gives 26.6 fps maximum.You stated that you get a solid 30fps on max settings. Also please note your benchmark does not show minimum fps, mines does!

The fact it dropped to 19fps is in line with what I showed earlier when mine dropped to 13fps.

What happened to the solid 30fps claim when you quoted my post?

The amount of garbage some people on this forum spew out of their mouth about needing the highest end kit to do everything is just ridiculous - and still no matter what evidence I put forward to dissprove what they say, they come back with none of their own and more ignorant and uninformed statements about what they think it might run like.

The below benches seem to confirm this as they all come up with similar results to one another, which are vastly different from bit-techs.

Are you , your Benchmarks 1,2 and 4 are from Crysis Warhead, not Crysis. Two separate games I am afraid! Everyone will tell you that Warhead is less demanding than Crysis.
Benchmark 3 compares your Cpu with the i7 965, not an i7975 which still shows that you would lose fps to the benchmark that you gave at Toms Hardware


To 'max' out crysis on my PC I could have 8*EQ AA, Super- Sample AA and 16 AF. I wouldn't even try it as I know my PC would shake at it's knees and crumble because it would hit multiple brick walls trying to play Crysis MAXED OUT.

You can argue until you are blue in the face, so I sugest you use the settings above and come back and tell everyone that your 5850 WILL hit a solid 30fps MAXED OUT

 

[Deific]

I simply pasted the CPU benches to show you that your bit-tech benchmark was way off on its results, the third bench is crysis (not warhead) and it still stays inline with what the other benches are stating. It wasn't to compare the 965 to the 975.

I've also said above that Warhead ran worse for me than crysis. So the benches I marked are still relevant.

The 13fps was whilst running a taxing mod but I was simply saying that indeed the card has dropped that low for a split second whilst benching (albeit with fraps), and so that is inline with the 5870 dropping to 19fps.

Also despite the difference in processing cores, the 5850 can be clocked to 5870 level. Mine isn't, but I know many people have done so.


Anyway I could just solve this by making and uploading another 1 minute video with lots of explosions/gun fire etc. on vanilla crysis, but I feel i've already gone out of my way to make a video showing 20fps is perfectly smooth and playable.

In that video it was quite clear I was using a highly taxing mod and hit peaks of 35fps. Bare in mind I had spawned 40 koreans into a very small area, all of whom are firing/running at me, it was very dense jungle, I was using several increase dof/motion blur mods and had fraps running. It's not exactly hard to see how removing all of that, turning off fraps, and returning to vanilla will give a 10fps increase is it.

 

[tommybhoy]

I simply pasted the CPU benches to show you that your bit-tech benchmark was way off on its results,

Again that was included to show you that your cpu would have about a 3fps disadvantage over the i7 used in the Toms Hardware Benchmark.

the third bench is crysis (not warhead) and it still stays inline with what the other benches are stating. It wasn't to compare the 965 to the 975.

I've also said above that Warhead ran worse for me than crysis. So the benches I marked are still relevant.

As above that shows again that your cpu is at a disadvantage over the i7.
I will state again, Warhead benches are not relevant to Crysis. You can keep throwing in benchmarks for Warhead all you wan't they are all irelevant to Crysis!

Anyway I could just solve this by making and uploading another 1 minute video with lots of explosions/gun fire etc. on vanilla crysis, but I feel i've already gone out of my way to make a video showing 20fps is perfectly smooth and playable.

No need to go to the hassle of making/uploading videos. The easiest solution would be for you to run the CRYSIS benchmark on max settings and post your results, you could also try one of the ice levels in your benchmark.

If you get a minimum of 30 fps in your benchmark with maximum settings then fair enough you are correct and I am wrong.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

It's not exactly hard to see how removing all of that, turning off fraps, and returning to vanilla will give a 10fps increase is it.

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

If you get a minimum of 30 fps in your benchmark with maximum settings then fair enough you are correct and I am wrong.

That's a bit silly, he's not claiming he'll get a minimum 30 fps. He's claiming the average will be above that, and has agreed there will be momentary drops below that in the most demanding moments of gameplay.
Deific's argument, which you're missing with your obsession with the numbers, is that those momentary drops don't matter, because the game remains smooth - they don't drop far enough to have an effect.

 

[tommybhoy]

Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.


That's a bit silly, he's not claiming he'll get a minimum 30 fps.

Yes he is! This was in reply to my post earlier.

so why does mine get a solid 30fps when I havent got fraps/mods running?

The amount of garbage some people on this forum spew out of their mouth about needing the highest end kit to do everything is just ridiculous - and still no matter what evidence I put forward to dissprove what they say, they come back with none of their own and more ignorant and uninformed statements about what they think it might run like.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

To me, "solid 30fps" doesn't mean "constant 30fps at every moment of game play". I think you might be being a bit pedantic.

The second quote of Deifics was in the context of people saying you needed 60 fps to have a worthwhile gameplay experience, and he was pointing out that gameplay can be smooth at much lower values than those.

 

[tommybhoy]

To me, "solid 30fps" doesn't mean "constant 30fps at every moment of game play". I think you might be being a bit pedantic.

The second quote of Deifics was in the context of people saying you needed 60 fps to have a worthwhile gameplay experience, and he was pointing out that gameplay can be smooth at much lower values than those.

Not being pedantic at all, I originally pointed out to OP that :
'5850 for £130, what a bargain, it won't max out Crysis but it will improve your fps. Try a custom config too.'

For somebody to quote your reply and edit it with :
'5850 for £130, what a bargain, it will max out Crysis...' Imo this is just a wrong thing to do (as it makes it look like I gave out the advice!) don't know about you, but you shouldn't be advising the OP(who could make a purchase following your advice) that a 5850 can max out a very demanding game. I am not disputing the 5850 (or I would not have recomended it in the first place) won't give you worthwhile gaming experience in crysis it will. Just not maxed out.

 

[Blackhawk47]

To me, "solid 30fps" doesn't mean "constant 30fps at every moment of game play". I think you might be being a bit pedantic.

The second quote of Deifics was in the context of people saying you needed 60 fps to have a worthwhile gameplay experience, and he was pointing out that gameplay can be smooth at much lower values than those.

Its true with crysis though. When i was playing it on my 8800gts 640mb and even now with a 250 gts I find that I get anywhere from 20fps to 50-60fps. Completely dependant on what is happening during the game.

Basically on Crysis SP I can live with 20-35fps no problem. On Crysis MP I find I do better with a higher fps.

Its just a game...and you need some epic hardware to truly max it out and get a constant 60+fps at all times.

 

[RedStarRiot]

considering the original debate was that Deifics said a 5770 could max crysis!

 

[TheCenturion]

Does anyone have an autoexec.cfg with everything set to absolute max? If so, please upload, me lovey long time

 

[Gashman]

Does anyone have an autoexec.cfg with everything set to absolute max? If so, please upload, me lovey long time

look around on incrysis forum, there are quite a few decent, very high detail configs. around, don't use them personally though, the holy grail for me and crysis is to enable the very very slight blur thats present in cutscenes, that hides all the jaggies and what not, its not really an intrustive amount of blur but just enough to smooth things out though i haven't managed it yet! best things to turn on for me are SSAO and HDR, getting a good level of HDR is pretty much key in crysis, too much and it looks rediculously dark then insanely bright, too little and it doesn't add anything really! closest i have ever managed to get (don't have the config. anymore though!) is this, forgive the jaggies as there was no AA used or anything (background terrain is 'smoothed' using blur, but it doesn't seem to be applied to closer objects, which sucks!):

 

[TheCenturion]

Thanks mate, I've found a few. HP's config, Jmanrob's, ccc etc

But they all seem very cautiously going past very high settings. By that I mean they increase the quality of vanilla, but try to maintain fps as much as possible. Ideally, I'm looking for one which just sets everything to the max. However, stuff like FoV is obviously subjective to one's own taste.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

Not being pedantic at all, I originally pointed out to OP that :
'5850 for £130, what a bargain, it won't max out Crysis but it will improve your fps. Try a custom config too.'

For somebody to quote your reply and edit it with :
'5850 for £130, what a bargain, it will max out Crysis...' Imo this is just a wrong thing to do (as it makes it look like I gave out the advice!) don't know about you, but you shouldn't be advising the OP(who could make a purchase following your advice) that a 5850 can max out a very demanding game. I am not disputing the 5850 (or I would not have recomended it in the first place) won't give you worthwhile gaming experience in crysis it will. Just not maxed out.

Oh, okay, sorry. You're right. I am finding I can max out Crysis on Very High at 1920x1200, just edge AA, and some mods (e.g. Natural Mod, Foliage, but not the big Texture mod), but I have two 5850s. When I had just one, I didn't use any mods, and had to lower some of the settings to High to get it to run smooth in high action scenes.

 

[MeMeMeMe]

That's a lovely shot.

 

[tommybhoy]

Oh, okay, sorry. You're right. I am finding I can max out Crysis on Very High at 1920x1200, just edge AA, and some mods (e.g. Natural Mod, Foliage, but not the big Texture mod), but I have two 5850s. When I had just one, I didn't use any mods, and had to lower some of the settings to High to get it to run smooth in high action scenes.

Phew...
Thanks, glad it's not just me

That's a lovely shot.

+1

Pity you don't have that config anymore Gashman, that looks simply stunning!