D800 official release

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So the pricing for pre-order panic is over.

But still nobody has any idea of when the second wave of cameras will hit dealers. I was number 5 on the list at mine, and they got 2 cameras. The trouble is I am selling my D700 after I get my D800. The longer I wait, the longer I lose out on the price of the D700.

Surely Nikon does actually know when they are getting their next stock!!
 
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So the pricing for pre-order panic is over.

But still nobody has any idea of when the second wave of cameras will hit dealers. I was number 5 on the list at mine, and they got 2 cameras. The trouble is I am selling my D700 after I get my D800. The longer I wait, the longer I lose out on the price of the D700.

Surely Nikon does actually know when they are getting their next stock!!

Thom Hogan has a good piece as usual http://bythom.com/:

Learn to Fail. Some amateurs assume that pros never miss a shot. That pros never take a bad shot. That pros keep 100% of the shots they take. Nonsense. Pros fail. A lot. Pros fail far more than they succeed, but they succeed far more than they need to in order to fulfill the job. In fact, if pros are not failing all the time, they rarely progress beyond a simplistic and formulaic way of shooting pictures. What you see above is one of my failures. As a matter of fact, I didn't get a single image I liked from a one-hour shooting session. Not one. You all know why I was shooting: practice and play. If I've got spare time with a camera in my hand I'm in either practice or play mode, or both (see previous teaching points). Even when I know something isn't going to work--and I pretty much knew this shot wouldn't work--I'll still go through the motions of thinking it through the best I can and taking it. From failure comes information. The more you follow through on the failure (take the shot as opposed to just skipping over it), the more information you get. A lot of students are dismayed that I do very little image culling at the front of my workflow. Even failed images like this one get into my files. Why? Because I want the data point to learn from. When I took the picture I was aware of two major things I didn't like and which were going to cause this image to fail. In looking at it dispassionately after the fact, I can find another half dozen or so things that would have to be dealt with for this picture to start working the way I'd want it to. By keeping the picture around, I can look at it at length and consider all those things and what I might do about them. As I write this a day later, I'm less than a one minute walk away from that spot. What would I do if I figured out how to make the image work? Why, I'd walk over there and take the "good" shot. Not because I want that shot for my files, but because I want to test whether what I figured out actually was the solution. I wrote recently about the fact that it takes 10,000 hours or so to become a master of something. Most of those 10,000 hours are failures. You learn far more from failures if you are open to it than you ever will from your successes. Go out and fail at a photograph today. Fail correctly and your photography will be better tomorrow. Discussion of this image can be found on Google+.


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March 26 (commentary)--As often happens with the popular Nikon camera launches, first deliveries have been made and the product is sold out. Now we get the grumbling about "why didn't Nikon make more?"

It's a delicate balancing act that Nikon has to go through. We're not talking mass market consumer item here, where you build huge, permanent capacity to meet insane demand (the current Apple model). A D4 is going to sell a few hundred thousand copies in its lifetime, a D800 maybe a million+. Sendai's current capacity is 5,000 D4's a month, 30,000 D800's a month. Best case scenario (assuming that the parts are actually available, which is a huge assumption considering we're talking about precision sensors here), is that they could double production by doubling staff or making everyone work double shifts.

It should be clear that initial demand was far greater than what Nikon delivered. Let's assume for a moment that what Nikon delivered was two months of production. How many months do you think Nikon should make a product before actually delivering it to a customer? Three? Ten? Initial demand on these units was probably 3-4 months worth for the D4, 6+ months for the D800. Would you be willing to wait until June in order to guarantee a D800 on day one? Didn't think so.

There's a risk in building months worth of production and having it sit in warehouses: the product doesn't get user tested. As much as every tech company wants to ship a product that's perfect on day one, it's unusual that something wasn't caught. It's a numbers game. Even a few hundred testers testing round the clock aren't going to hit every last nook and cranny that tens of thousands of actual users will.

Nikon faced this problem more than once in the past. The D1x shipped initially with a real issue. It was already heading to user's hands when the problem was found. Nikon had to scramble to fix the problem in the field and it took a few weeks to get every unit dealt with; the volume back then was far lower than it is today, and that was without piling up many months worth of units before first ship.

Let's look at the other end of the demand chain: when the product's three years old the demand is low, because people are waiting for the "next generation" (which builds a new initial demand stream). You don't want to have a factory that can build far beyond late product cycle demand, otherwise you have idle capacity and lots of workers you're going to put into furlough.

Overall, Nikon tries to balance the problems it faces in delivering a new, high-demand product like the D800 (and to a lesser degree, D4). Build enough so that there's not a tickle at launch, but a significant number. Don't build and sit on too many and risk bigger problems and idle capacity afterwards.

If we look at Nikon's factory numbers, they add up this way: D4 will likely have a total product build in the neighborhood of 120,000 units (5k * 12 months * 2 years); the D800 might manage 1.44 million units (30k * 12 months * 4 years). That's assuming they stay popular enough during their entire life cycles to keep the factory at full capacity. Compare that to the Apple iPad's 3 million units delivered in the first three days. So all those writing me saying that Nikon should just do what Apple did are a bit off in their objection: the iPad is a mass market item with a one year life cycle that sells in the tens, maybe hundreds of millions of units a year. It's worth building additional factory capacity for that kind of demand. On the other hand, Nikon professional cameras are niche products that take a long time to reach even a million units (and that's assuming they're popular and state-of-the-art through their life cycle). It's not worth building huge capacity for that because it will go unused after initial demand dissipates.

Personally, I think Nikon has chosen a reasonable balance point. That doesn't make those waiting in line for a D800 any happier, obviously. I'm confident that Nikon will make some short term adjustments to try to quell some of the thirst for product. I noticed that they seem to be sending weekly shipments by air out of the factory at the moment, for example. They're not trying to amass a large number and put them on a slow ship to the customer. Instead they're delivering them hot off the line as fast as they can. They're likely to run some overtime and speed up their sparts supply chain, too. They may even shift some D4 work to D800 work. What they won't do is try to meet all demand instantly.

Given what I'm hearing from dealers and users, I'm betting that D4 cameras will loosen up in supply within two months to the point where you can find one here in the states if you really want one. D800's, on the other hand, are going to be in relatively short supply for a longer period, especially once people realize just how good the camera is. There was always a stronger demand that went unfulfilled for a D3x at the D3 price, but we received a better-than-D3x-at-half-the-D3-price. Demand is high simply because of that, let alone the pent-up D700 upgrade demand.


Basically the D800s will keep trickling in for the next month with steady shipments/airfreight.
 
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I saw this last night, just incredible the detail. We can finally now do those CSI computer tricks and zoom in on a the earring of a distant women to get the reflection of the murder!

I've seen a lot of sample photos form new owners in the last days and read their personal mini-reviews and it definitely lives up to the hype.

Earlier in this thread there was a link to a review where they question the Auto-focus but form my reading I am sure that guy must have had a faulty camera or lenses that needed fine tuning. Seems that the D800 his built with much tighter tolerances than the D700 and D3 and must have some kind of improved logic for dealing with some lenses. people are reporting that lenses that needed +10 to +15 micro-adjustment on a D700/D3 are perfect on the D800, and with the same cameras a lens that needed -5 to -8 now work fin on the D800, so the D800 seems to have resolved focus issues for lenses neeiding adjustments form -5 to 10 or more. Focusing in low light is also much improved.
 
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Not that I know anything, but that does seem like a bit of a monster, doesn't it.

Do Sony develop the sensors for Nikon then?

Sony fabricate the sensor, Nikon also sprinkle a little bit of their own magic dust for that extra bit of performance that Sony never seem to be able to manage from their own sensor.
 
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Not that I know anything, but that does seem like a bit of a monster, doesn't it.

Do Sony develop the sensors for Nikon then?

Sony an Nikon have a collaboration. Sony manufactures sensors for Nikon using Nikon supplied equipment (steppers). The design work appears often led by Sony but Nikon makes changes. E.g with the sensors in the 16mp d7000 and 24mp FF d3x the Nikon sensors much outperform the original Sony sensor.


Also, Nikon designed the sensors in the d3/d700, d3s, d3100, which were also not manufactured by Sony. The d4 sensor looks to also be a Nikon designed sensor.
 
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