D800 vs D800E?

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I've been doing so much reading lately about the differences between the two that I think I'm starting to lose the plot. I have two issues as follows:

  • Get the D800E as its sharper but probably have to go down the grey import route to afford one and stick to my lens purchase plans
  • Buy a D800 instead but from a UK stockist for a 2 year warranty and piece of mind, especially if I get the left point focus issue

Now the difference between the D800 and D800E apart from the best part of £400 is that the D800E is sharper, but after reading around, it appears this is only noticable in specific conditions. This is mostly using a lens that can resolve the 36mp count and use the lens at the sharpest aperture. Using a lens wide open on the D800E gives a result that looks pretty much the same as the D800, simply due to the lens. The same can be said at the other end of the spectrum with diffraction literally blurring out the differences between the camera bodies at F11 and above. F16 is literally impossible to tell the difference and this is an aperture that gets used in macro quite often on.

Adding to this, moire is definitely more noticeable on the D800E but most of the time you'd have to go pixel peeping to look for it, especially on the sort of shots I take (which don't include people and probably never will). Due to that, it probably wouldn't be an issue for me.

My questions are, would I ever notice a real difference between a D800 and a D800E for everyday use unless I was pixel peeping? Coupled with this, would I ever notice a difference with my types of photography, which include macro, still life, product photography, architecture and the occasional landscape shot.

I'm going to sell my current DX gear as I won't have any need for it if I get either D800 body so the cash hopefully generated from that will fund a nikon 50mm F1.4G and a nikon 105mm F2.8G VR macro lens to go alongside my Nikon 28-70 F2.8, Nikon AF 300mm F4 and Sigma 12-24mm F4.5-5.6 lenses.

The left focal point issue has me really worried when it comes to the grey imports, otherwise I'd have bought either of them from ******* by now and saved myself a few hundred quid. Its just so damn confusing trying to pick the right tool for the job -.-

Any advice or thoughts between the two?
 
Normally I'd agree with the sentiment of having 2nd best being annoying when the best was only a small step away when I bought it. However, I've been looking at reviews, talking to users and my own little tests for a few weeks now and the differences between the camera's is very hard to notice unless you seriously pixel peep. I'm trying to get away from pixel peeping anyway as it really detracts from the overall experience of photography anyway but I often aim for technical "perfection", which isn't necessarily achievable due to being forced into using settings that won't really exploit the extra prowess of the E model.

The second issue is the grey import vs UK stock conundrum which is driving me insane. UK stock of a D800 is around £2150 atm but the D800E can be had for £2210 via ******* BT. Normally I'd jump at the later as the price is great, yet the 1 year warranty is really off putting, especially with the known problems with the D800 series like the left focus point issue and green WB issues specifically. Seems like a gamble to me but if it paid off it would be great. UK stock of the D800E is £350 more expensive than *******'s price -.-
 
I don't get your warranty worries here. The Cam will either has left AF issues or it won't. The only thing that would even be worth considering is if you think your going to be taking endless pictures, so many you think the shutter might die within the second year.

Lastly, if your not pixel peeping, stick with the D300s.

Can't as I require the larger prints which I use to be able to provide with my 5D mk ii. The D600 on paper sounds pretty good but the fact its in a smaller body which is less robust really doesn't interest me as I use to own a D5100 and I felt it was far too small for my hands.

You are probably right in regards to the AF issue and I'm probably making a mountain out of a mole hill. I'll just look at getting some sort of 3rd party insurance on the body instead if I go grey import and that'll probably sooth the concerns I have.
 
Also, photography is a hobby for me, I don't buy what a 'need', I buy what a 'want'.

Even so you've expressed your interest in going full time wedding tog have you not? Its still my hobby regardless of what else I require out of the body. The D800 is the prime choice for me as its a good crop and an excellent full frame camera in one.
 
D600 is nearly as big as D800. This is WAY bigger than you D5100.
I also read it was weather sealed, so doubt it's any less sealed than the D800.

True, but the DX mode on it isn't as good, neither is the AF system, especially in low light.

If your not pixel peeping you don't need the crop factor anyway, thus 24mp is enough.

See above

Even if it was my full time profession, it's still my hobby. The day it stops being my hobby, is the day I stop having fun.

I'm not sure why you have the impression that photography isn't my hobby anymore or that I don't enjoy it, but you are wrong on both accounts :P Doing product shots makes up around 10% of my entire library, if that. I'll never be a full time tog, nor do I want to be one. Too busy with my studies and then hospital lab work, plus I'd still like a holiday where I don't need to worry about not being paid.
 
Get the D800E from a UK stockist? Piece of mind and you get the best camera going. We have 1 in my shop ;)

Moire is a non-issue, from what I've seen most Nikon lenses don't have the ability to resolve enough detail to excite moire, and even if you can, it'll be such a small amount of detail in what is a huge photo. If you're questioning whether to get the D800E or plain old D800 you'll never be happy with the latter. Having seen results from both the D800 and the D800E I can safely say that I can see a difference in sharpness without peeping, however the customer who provided the shots was using a medium format lens rather than a Nikkor lens so your mileage may vary :p

UK stock is pretty damn expensive though. How much are you charging for it in your shop (which ever that is lol)? In most places I've seen its around £2548 (ish) with one of the better deals including a nikon 2320 bag + 16gb SD card for free. The price of the grey import vs UK stock is the price of the battery grip -.-
 
With a 30" (2560*1600) screen, it's not really like I need to try to pixel peep anyway. 50-60% magnification fit's on my screen.

Bit different for me, as I'm waiting for the iMacs to be refreshed, so until that point I'm using a 13inch MBA! Its not ideal but I get by.
 
Thanks for the feedback mate, puts my mind at rest. In regards to the eyecup though, I thought that one wasn't that hot for glasses wearers, which I'm part of due to being short sighted? How much am I looking at for each of these btw? I've never heard of the magnifier before.
 
Just noticed that jessops are doing the D800 at a great price for UK stock with a £100 discount code (100OFFD800) bringing it down to £2048.14. At that price, I'm sorely tempted to go for the UK model over a grey import.
 
Sounds like an amazing deal...sickeningly good compared to what I paid at release. :eek: I ended up going with Jacobs purely because they got one in before my other pre-order came through. If it is possible and you have a John Lewis near you then I'd recommend going with them. They will price match any high street shop and have the best returns policy known to man. I'd rather have bought it there simply for the return policy. They happily took my D700 back after about a month's heavy use with no questions asked. I believe you can return anything at any point provided it is in good condition.

I really liked jacobs (its where I bought my 5D mk ii from) and its a shame its closed. Theres some ND4 filters on ebay going very cheap (£9 each) from jacobs stock due to it closing down. Sadly theres no John Lewis in Hull and the closest is supposedly Sheffield according to their website :(

I'll most likely pop into jessops in Hull and try and haggle that discount back onto the sale as I need some other bits and bobs anyway so it would make sense for them to help me out to get the sale!
 
It works for collect in store so would do that and go and have a look properly tomorrow/Tuesday

For some odd reason though Hull isn't popping up on the list of stores I can actually collect it at. Keeps popping up with york as the closest lol -.-
 
Considering an immanent purchase of an expensive form of carbon within a circular metal alloy, my d800 plans have been pushed back a few more month. Furthermore the difference between the e and non e will be put into a diamond upgrade.

Congrats and unlucky at the same time!

I've been watching the D800 prices fall continuously throughout this week, but now its a matter of when I pull the trigger one one before they go back up. £2083 is the lowest price for UK stock at the moment and the D800E via ******* has risen by £180, making it £2390 and not as an attractive purchase for me.
 
Just go for it, there's less than 3 months to the worlds end now anyway! (If you keep telling yourself that, you'll believe it enough to justify any purchase!) :D

Haha, you should take your own advice and go camera crazy also :P
 
I'm tempted to sell the 7D, 1Ds2 and X100 to buy a 5D3 now... but come the apocalypse I reckon the 1Ds2 will be more useful as heavy weapon! :D

Ha, I'd probably keep the X100 and sell the other two for the 5D mk iii as its faaaar easier to walk around with, as you already know lol. I've still not sold my D300s yet but I'm in absolutely no rush as I'll just keep it as a second body otherwise :D
 
Thing is it is only some small percentage of the older cameras and there is probably no way to easily identify which serial numbers are affected. As indicated, the number of defects are no different to any other camera that has been released lately, just a lot of internet hysteria.

Yeah but its nikon who's saying that and they are hardly likely going to say anything but that are they lol.
 
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