D800 vs D800E?

[James J]

Digitalrev aren't looking very attractive price wise on the D800 atm compared to UK stock, which is something I never thought I'd say. Theres like £30 difference, yet with the UK one that buys you another years warranty and far less aggro if you ever needed to use it.

Crazy stuff!

 

[James J]

The prices still appear to be coming down which is nice but now I have a new problem. I got my hands on a few D800 raw files and they seriously **** my MBA laptop. Just applying my own processing style takes around 40 seconds to complete. Due to that, trying to go through hundreds of photos from a day out would be a pure nightmare and I have no real intentions of upgrading my MBA any time soon as I only bought it around april this year and its absolutely fine with everything else, including D300s and 5d mk ii RAWs. Can't upgrade the RAM on it either which appears to be the limiting factor, so my plans for a D800 have been shelved until further notice.

Instead I'm considering a second hand D700 or D3. I quite like the file sizes when shooting at 12mp and the ISO performance on either of those bodies would be vastly better than what I currently own. If I pushed my budget, I could also afford a decent D3s body, which has better ISO performance than even the D4 lol.

The D600 is pretty damn nice on paper and the digitalrev review of it was surprisingly good, yet the AF system on it is a serious step backwards in my opinion and having to focus recompose to get third rule composed shots just isn't something worth considering, even though the sensor is better than a D700s.

I've bought a 50mm 1.8G lens to keep me amused whilst I consider my options and weigh up the pros and cons of keeping or selling my current body.

The thing to take away from what I've noticed though is if you have a laptop where you cannot physically upgrade the RAM (due to being soldered in my case) and you have less than 8gb, a D800 probably isn't for you unless you want to really splash out even more on a new laptop. The same goes for people with old or slow pcs! I didn't think it would be THAT slow but was disturbed by how poor the performance really was when doing even basic editing on the files. Sure shooting everything in 12 bit lossy RAW would improve it, but thats like buying an F1 race car and driving it down a school lane at 20mph only...

 

[James J]

Lol, I had to buy a new iMac to go with my 5Dii.

I now have to buy a new iMac, not because of 5Diii, but because of LR4 as I have a similar problem with yours (8G of Ram doesn't help)

I see it as part and parcel of digital photography these days...it's the running cost of the film cost of yore.

Well the SSD in my MBA acts as a cache for the RAM (just as the mechanical HDDs work when "thrashing", just vastly quicker!), but even so, the 5d mk ii files only took around 2-3 seconds more to process, not tens of seconds more like the 14 bit D800 RAWs do. Hell, I only had the lossless compressed RAWs as well sent to me so can't imagine what the lossless ones would do to it :S

Sadly I think its more of a MAC thing mate as they are a pain in the backside to upgrade for photography purposes. I need the portability of a powerful laptop which the 13inch MBA I have fits into beautifully, yet I'm not going to drop £2000 on a rMBP just so I can process files from a body that also costs £2k.

I thought computing was expensive as a hobby, having the latest and greatest graphics cards, but photography really makes that look like pocket change in comparison.

 

[James J]

Could be down to the dual core processor on the MBA too.

Aye that'll also not help.

Put it this way, I see the beachball just zooming...

 

[James J]

I don't want to go back to Windows.

Plus, I don't see the point having 2 machines either and i don't have the room really.

This + budget really.

 

[James J]

Is there no way to install iOS on a self built machine?

I've never really looked at Mac prices until just now and holy mother of god do Apple know how to 'apply' a premium to a product.

Its illegal to install the mac OS on any none mac device.

I'd rather use my pc then spend 2grand on a mac, That's a new lens and another flash right there.

Personal taste I'm sure. Having a silent but quick laptop with excellent battery life is essential for me though and the mac

 

[James J]

Whether it's true or not it's BS.



Apple isn't the only vendor of such devices. Be honest, you got it because it was sexy didn't you?

It simply isn't ideal for photography. These laptops are allot slower, and besides processing on a 13" screen just sucks.

You probably would have been better off with a netbook or even an ipad, and a high powered PC with big monitor for processing and viewing your pictures.

Maybe look at something like a Shuttle R5 with i7. Very powerful yet small and sleek designs that don't take up that much space. OS is practically irrelevant as photoshop and lightroom work the same anyway.

Don't presume to try and tell me why I bought a product as I have far more needs for what I have than just photography, which I outlined above. Netbooks are far too slow for the size of the projects I have on my MBA and an ipad just isn't practical seen as I type thousands of words daily. The intergration of cloud services directly into OSX gives me a level of redundancy for my work which can't be had with windows to anywhere near the same level of simplicity. Also time machine makes the windows backup look like a toy. The fact that cloud also automatically syncs these files with other apple devices makes my life far more simple and increases my redundancy even further.

Photography is a small part of what I use my MBA for, it wasn't bought with the sole intention of that. I don't have the space for a desktop PC as I move around too often between Hospitals to warrant owning one, nor do I have the budget for such a machine anyway. The point about lightroom and photoshop is fine, yet I use neither so that doesn't apply to me anyway.

Edit, in regards to the validity of my legality of installing the mac OS on any none apple devices, its true. You have to rewrite tonnes of code to get it to install on none apple devices due to the hardware being different. Thats why its called "Hackintosh" and even talking about how to install or modify it is banned even on this forum.

 

[James J]

Regardless of the law or rules etc. it is BS, Apple get's away with murder in the courts.

Again, your opinion, not mine. Its vastly easier for a company to design software for a small and highly specific selection of hardware and make it great compared to a company that has to cater for all in some shape or form. Apple do the right thing for keeping OSX and iOS on their devices and not putting it onto none apple products as it gives its customers far better quality of service due to this. I don't even understand why you are seemingly annoyed about apples operating system not being available to you unless you buy an apple product if you hate it so much :S

Apple employ some of the best designers and engineers in the industry, so of course they are in court often protecting their patents as they invented the patents to stop other companies copying their work. How is that any different to you taking another photographer to court if they tried to pass your wedding photos off as theirs...

 

[James J]

we each have to decided where are morels are at ,
yes
i personally will not use apple products ,
and i would never have sky (or knowing buy any product owned by that scum ).each to there own ,
but i don't think capitalism and morels have to be contradictory.iam alright jack is a bad way for people to live there lives

You must walk around naked seen as most clothing companies have used cheap far eastern child labour at some point...

Its this sort of moral garbage which I'll never understand. Its like vegetarians thinking that eating animals is wrong because they are living, breathing organisms, yet plants aren't exactly dead are they. They just aren't cute so no one cares.

Anyway this thread has gone well and truly off topic so lets try and reclaim it. Think I'm gonna go with two bodies instead of just one and keep what I have as a backup. Contemplating a D3/D3s or a D700 atm!

 

[James J]

If enough people didn't think like you do, there wouldn't be any child labour to begin with.. and that's a fact.

Its really not, its your opinion, yet again. Anyways back on topic as this has gone way too far on a tangent now.

 

[James J]

there's no need to be insulting
as i say we each have to decide where are own morels are at ,if that company's is well away from mine i choose not to support them ,but yep thread back on track time
.

It wasn't insulting, it was just the reversal of what you said. Morals are subjective, which is why they are debated constantly anyway.

 

[James J]

calling someones view point moral garbage is insulting

However you perceive it, you can't take the moral high ground with a handful of companies whilst just claiming pure ignorance to the ones that are even worse.

 

[James J]

How is calling someone's point of view 'moral garbage' not insulting?
If anything it is bad manners, for which there is little excuse imo.
Regarding your second point (which isn't that clear to me), are you saying people shouldn't pick Apple up on it's misdoings because there are 'even worse' out there?

If you apply the same logic to people, that would be like saying "why are we incarcerating this rapist when there are murderers on the streets?".

You really need to get out more if you insist on reading between the lines on everything I put on this forum, seriously.

 

[James J]

I wouldn't need to read between lines if your sentence made any sense, seriously.

Well only you has a problem understanding anything I type so you might want to look closer to home mate, seriously.c

 

[James J]

Perhaps you (ideally) or someone else will be kind enough to explain what your actually saying here, otherwise I can only guess unfortunately.

Read my earlier posts again and it'll make sense. I've reported the thread for locking seen as theres so much stuff that needs cleaning out of it, it might as well just get locked.

 

[James J]

Couldn't just give a strait answer then...

I'm not arguing with you again on here as its just pointless. Its quite obvious we are polar opposites in our opinions on pretty much everything so I don't see the point in wasting my time with you. Even with a straight answer, you'd still come back with more **** anyway, just like you always do.