Poll: DAB+ is the future? Digital terrestrial radio broadcasting

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I disagree with you. The reason for so low bitrate in the UK is that someone good has decided to give YOU an opportunity to broadcast YOUR own radio.

When would it happen on the FM frequencies - never because everything is occupied or there is no enough space/allocation for everyone.

You must be thankful, not to blame it.

 

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he's saying people have the opportunity to set up a station - democratization of the airwaves, which is true,
if they can produce some content people want to listen to, and finance that.

Yes, but not only this.

What I like about the DAB+ is its crystal clear high fidelity high resolution sound - the DAB+ receivers have frequency response range much wider than what the FM signal can give which is only between 30 Hz and 15 kHz.
My headphones' frequency response is between 10 Hz and 30 KHz which means that if I listen to an FM signal with it, I would hear less than 50% of its intended capacity.

FM to DAB+ is like SD to Ultra HD with HDR...

 

[4K8KW10]

Did you just say that?
When it's running with a 64kbps data feed?
Are you having a laugh?

It's also worth bearing in mind that DAB is NOT just competing with FM. It's also now up against streaming.
I have unlimited data limits on my phone, and could if I so wished stream 24 bit audio from Quboz.
Let's face it, DAB is now a solution to a question that is not only no longer really needed, but is actually counterproductive.

I don't use my phone for listening to music. I prefer to listen to music from proper devices which are able to reach close to studio quality.

DAB+ doesn't compete with streaming for anything - DAB+ comes from public networks normally owned or controlled by one country's government, while streaming is available in local, private and so, closed networks which require direct payments.

 

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Is that in the same way that horse drawn carts didn't compete with cars at the start of the 20th century, just because one used a horse and some wishful thinking?

But the FM is very old technology and it needs a replacement - there should be some type of terrestrial radio and it has been decided that it will be DAB+.

It doesn't matter if you like it or not - it will just happen - better just accept it and get used to it.

 

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So you’ve basically given up on your argument as you know your wrong lol. Vinyl is very old , that doesn’t make it bad. As a format, DAB ( in the uk at least ) isn’t fit for purpose. It does a job....... poorly. But that’s all you can say about it.

Streaming is not terrestrial technology for broadcasting normal radio signals - there is no standard for streaming and the government will never use streaming in cases of emergency, etc.
You have no idea what you are talking about, have you?

 

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We've had over 25 years of DAB broadcasts in the UK. The format still hasn't won against FM. This must count as the longest still birth in history.

Entire consumer formats have come and gone in less time: Video8, Hi-8, VHS-C, MiniDV, V2000, Betamax, LaserDisc, DAT, MiniDisc, Digital Compact Cassette (DCC), HD-DVD, S-VHS, D-VHS, 3D to name but a few.

I can think of no other consumer format as despised as DAB. Even people who bet on Betamax look back at that format with some fondness. It was better than VHS, but it just wasn't marketed as successfully.

The story could have been so different with DAB. Greatness was within its grasp. All they needed do was make sure it had a sufficient bit rate to sound decent, but they screwed it up and went for quantity because of greed.

Well, DAB+ is all the time in development, for example now I hear that the newest codec is HE-AAC v3 (xAAC-HE) which is dramatically improved method for compressing the data to relatively lower bitrates.

Switzerland has decided to switch its FM sites off as early as next year, Norway has already done it, Belgium and Denmark are next.
Germany - I expect between 2025 and 2027 also to go this route.

It will happen, just slightly slowly.

 

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Why are you continually spouting on about other countries?

Because these countries are the world leaders and sooner or later they will push you to join them.
The discussion is already there:

Government Digital Radio review puts analogue FM switch-off on the table

"The Media minister John Whittingdale has announced a review into the future of radio which could result in the analogue FM signal finally being switched off.

Digital listening is set to increase to 60 per cent of all radio listening this year, bringing the point at which “digital switchover” can be achieved closer."

https://inews.co.uk/news/media/digi...ttingdale-analogue-fm-switchover-plans-402564

 

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UK started with an inferior version of DAB I believe, different to Euroland, it was/is crap, on sound and reception. So far I've not seen any improvement in DAB+, in my car it looses signal often and quickly becomes very annoying, so I tend to use FM for the main stations and all is fine.
Indoors DAB other than little sound cubes has been a non starter and now is redundant. Again a good FM tuner with a roof aerial has always out performed DAB on sound quality, it has been some of the finest sound you could get at home if it were listening to a live concert broadcast etc.
Yes times move on, I no longer have tuner of any sort, FM or DAB as I stream radio, which is capable of far higher quality and much wider range of global station.
With 4 and later 5 G coverage better than DAB, then I can also stream in my car.
Conclusion DAB+ is already obsolete and may as well be scrapped.

The GSM networks are private, closed and paid, this is what is been tried to be explained to you but you don't get it.

DAB+ is free-to-air and with full access for everyone.

 

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Now who's living in the past? Most people have an internet and a mobile connection anyway whether you want to listen to radio or not. So DAB+ is okay for granny to use on little cube in the kitchen to get Radio 3/4. Everyone else won't bother it.

Can I get Radio Paradise on DAB ? or European stations ? No, so it's of no use to me at home or in the car. Plus sounds worse than streaming.

This is a contradiction. Will your local radio stations be happy if you have full internet access to every station in the world? Are you legally allowed to listen to in the UK an Australian radio without paying the corresponding legal rights and fees to do so?
How much would it cost for you if you want to listen every radio available in the internet?

 

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Why would I care what my local stations thinks, I don't listen to them. They are BBC stations, so I have paid a licence fee to the BBC/Gov so who cares.
The rights and fees to broadcast music should be paid by the radio station. What difference does it make where the listener sits? I'm allowed to look at websites around the world and YouTube etc.
DAB is not the future.... certainly not in HiFi terms.

DAB+ is the future - there is no other alternative - certainly not streaming because many amateurs run such services with low quality sound.

The radio stations always pay royalties, music copyright and licensing which is always based on the country of broadcasting.

Technically, these foreign streamed stations have no legal right to be listened by you.

 

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These sounds are good:

 

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I don't know of any car system that can free of charge receive streaming in the car audio system.

Meanwhile - DAB+ comes in September in one more close country - Luxembourg - after successful trials last December.

"Announced successor of an FM band that it is doomed to eliminate, DAB+ is coming.

2021 will be the year of vaccination. But in the media world, it should also be that of the deployment in Luxembourg of DAB+ (for "digital audio broadcasting"), the digital terrestrial radio often presented as "HD of radio".

New players in the radio world?
Everyone believes in the future of DAB+ in terms of mobility. This is all the more clear that since the end of December, it has become mandatory in the European Union in all new vehicles, whether sold or leased. "And in Luxembourg, with company cars, leasing, etc., the renewal of the vehicle fleet is rather rapid", slips Sam Tabart, director of programs at L'essentiel Radio. The latter was very satisfied, during the December test, to see that with DAB+, his channel could be received in optimum quality as far as the gates of Nancy, on the French side, and Neufchâteau, in Belgium. Something to make him happy.

The listener should not be outdone. With the introduction of DAB+, there should in fact be more broadcasting places available than radios that can claim to be broadcast. Suddenly, we could witness the creation of new programs, or even the arrival of new radios from abroad. Some seem to have already shown interest..."

https://paperjam.lu/article/dab-radio-numerique-arrive-a-r

 

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OP.... Which part of NOBODY CARES ABOUT DAB OUTSIDE THE UK, do you not understand?

Also your deflecting your argument to cars.... Which again isn't the debate. The fact is, and is irrefutable, DAB in the UK is rubbish.

I am quite sure that you in the South of England can receive DAB+ signals from France, Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg, if there are good tropo weather conditions - you can receive DAB+ signals even from Germany or Norway, or the North of England can receive French signals.

 

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Who the heck wants to listen to foreign language radio on DAB ?

Me. Music has no language. Most radios are music only.

And you can’t get those stations from the uk . I’ve just looked it up. Your smoking something

https://www.digitalradiochoice.com/questions/receive-dab-stations-other-countries/

"In the UK it’s not possible to receive DAB or DAB+ radio stations from other countries. The digital radio stations which are available around the country all come from UK transmitters."

Ok

"I'm getting radio and tv stations from the netherlands, belgium, denmark and more"

 

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"BBC Radio Wolverhampton launches on Friday (January 15) and BBC Radio Sunderland launches on Monday.

Both Sunderland and Wolverhampton are currently served by BBC radio stations based in other cities, and the new services will be available online and via DAB digital radio.

The move is part of a project which is due to run between now and March, and follows the launch of BBC Radio Bradford last month."


The BBC has rolled out new temporary radio services for two further cities in a bid to help people there through lockdown.
BBC rolls out new radio services for Sunderland and Wolverhampton - Journalism News from HoldtheFrontPage

 

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"An online radio station has joined the Norwich and Cambridge small scale DAB multiplexes.

Rubix Radio started life streaming during the first Lockdown in 2020 and has now made the move to DAB.

The station’s strapline is ‘where the party never stops’ and plays music from the 80s, 90s, 00s and now.

Jeremy Durrant, Managing Director, told RadioToday: “We are so excited to launch in these areas and have plans to reach the rest of the east of England on DAB.”
https://radiotoday.co.uk/2021/01/rubix-radio-launches-on-two-dab-multiplexes/

 

[4K8KW10]

Better than the "studio quality" of the FM signal with fissing, hissing, low frequency response range, noise and all the rubbish that surrounds it

"Further controlled testing by 3GPP during their revision 6 specification process indicates that AAC-HE and AAC-HE v2 provide "Good" audio quality for music at low bit rates (e.g., 24 kbit/s)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Efficiency_Advanced_Audio_Coding

 

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This is from the records section of the Houses of Parliament. Here are some extracts:




Full document here: LINK


I can't be arsed posting any more on this right now. The TL;DR version is that anyone interested in sound quality from radio in the UK wouldn't choose DAB over FM. Those who don't care, well, they just don't care. If DAB ceased broadcasting tomorrow they'd quickly adapt without shedding too many tears.

BS,

Technically, FM is almost switched off in London already, providing miserable 23 stations on the analogue poor quality sound vs as many as 118 stations in perfect digital quality.

Radio stations in London, England — Radiomap.eu

 

[4K8KW10]

The link below is a government document that basic debunks your entire argument......

This link has no value - as I already showed that FM is close to being switched off already.

Who is that "public" that the old pdf speaks about - some corrupted media outlets who are against the media freedoms and open competition, right?
This is illegal.

 

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So are there good free IP radio apps for Android phones ?
prior to using VLC on a laptop, I'd tried the tunein app but unless you pay them money you can't access any station you want.

No.

The thread is for DAB+ in the car and with home audio systems.

No phones needed.