Dad of the year

QBitOscillation said:
Im not talking about justifying the actions, but the PRISON sentance being ludicrous.

Should have been a fine and some points, or just a 6 month ban.

What good does it do for the dad to be locked up ? Hes not a danger to the community if hes off his bike after being banned.
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A motorcyclist from Devon has been told he could go to prison
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Imo, he should go to prison as an eample to other motorists to not be so bloody stupid.

The guy clearly is a danger to others (most notably his son!) and needs to learn a lesson.

He'll end up with a fine & points, big deal.
 
Guy is a tool, I wont even entertain the thought of taking my boy out with me on the bike.
I certainly would not let him on it unless he was all togged up.
 
And a ton of car drivers that go 80 in a 70 are not? 90? 100? 120? Where do you draw the line? I am afraid there are many more reckless car drivers then bikers going by the definition of speeding...
 
Dogbreath said:
It's obvious that you must have personally witnessed this incident. Would you care to let us know what the the road conditions were like at the time (other than starting to rain), and whether the teenager on pillion was actually in fear of his life or, more likely, grinning like a maniac and enjoying every second?

Since you are also clearly a road safety expert, could you also quantify the increase in danger that that the rider and passenger were exposed to by travelling at 122mph?
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You can see the conditions from the camera photo......
 
QBitOscillation said:
Im not talking about justifying the actions, but the PRISON sentance being ludicrous.

Should have been a fine and some points, or just a 6 month ban.

What good does it do for the dad to be locked up ? Hes not a danger to the community if hes off his bike after being banned.
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Ludicrous? No way - the sentence is spot on in my opinion.
 
rsatd said:
And a ton of car drivers that go 80 in a 70 are not? 90? 100? 120? Where do you draw the line? I am afraid there are many more reckless car drivers then bikers going by the definition of speeding...
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IMO.....they should get the same treatment.

If you want to drive that fast, find a track. They are very cheap now days so there's no real excuse.
 
I don't agree with a jail sentence necessarily..

Yes 122MPH is extremely fast, and the fact he was carrying a child further compounds it, but if it was some bigwig in a Posche with his 'son' in the car, and was on a fairly open stretch of road, I'm sure a 'ban' would have been the order of the day.

122MPH on a Busa (assuming this is what he was riding) is not as ludicrous as you may think, certainly I see from the 'child hanging on for dear life' comments that some people think it's very much riding on the ragged edge or something.. from my own experience I don't think it is as bad as you imagine.

But at the end of the day, you can't condone these actions, and unless I saw on-board footage of the guy riding, and could see how much at risk he was putting himself/his son, I couldn't say with much conviction if Jail is the best place or not.
 
I'm not justifying the actions of the dad, but if he'd been in a BMW doing the same speed on the same road with his son in the front, would 6 months in prison still be appropriate? If so the jails are going to get awfully full.
 
considering the conditions, and the pillion passenger it seems the sentence is entirely appropriate

What is not appropriate however, is people get less than this for causing death by dangerous driving. He has been made an example of by a particularly unhappy magistrate. Normally he wouldnt have got this penalty

If only the law allowed for greater penalties for death by dangerous driving, then this sentence wouldnt seem quite so unusual.
 
MrLOL said:
considering the conditions, and the pillion passenger it seems the sentence is entirely appropriate

What is not appropriate however, is people get less than this for causing death by dangerous driving. He has been made an example of by a particularly unhappy magistrate. Normally he wouldnt have got this penalty

If only the law allowed for greater penalties for death by dangerous driving, then this sentence wouldnt seem quite so unusual.
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If he was in a car, on an open bit of road, with passengers, would you say the same thing?

I get the impression, because it's a bike, it's instantly bumped up a notch or 2 in seriousness?

I'm not having a go, just wondering if the fact it's a bike has anything to do with people's views.
 
Demon said:
the order of the day.

122MPH on a Busa (assuming this is what he was riding) is not as ludicrous as you may think, certainly I see from the 'child hanging on for dear life' comments that some people think it's very much riding on the ragged edge or something.. from my own experience I don't think it is as bad as you imagine.
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122mph in the wet on Hayabusa is just as dangerous as on any other 150mph+ capable bike, IE very dangerous.

Two up, one of which isnt even correctly attired, at 122mph, in the wet.
That isnt even remotely appropriate speed for the conditions even given the bikes high speed capability.
 
MrLOL said:
considering the conditions, and the pillion passenger it seems the sentence is entirely appropriate

What is not appropriate however, is people get less than this for causing death by dangerous driving. He has been made an example of by a particularly unhappy magistrate. Normally he wouldnt have got this penalty

If only the law allowed for greater penalties for death by dangerous driving, then this sentence wouldnt seem quite so unusual.
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Have to agree with that. You could go on about law and sentances forever though. They will never be what everyone classes as fair, but getting them on a similar track would be a start
 
Reality Bites said:
IMO.....they should get the same treatment.

If you want to drive that fast, find a track. They are very cheap now days so there's no real excuse.
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Hence my point, he got singled out when there's a ton of offenders out there. Ok fair enough, but some comments on here are just hateful to bikers :rolleyes:. Also looking at the road conditions they look just like a normal wet day. Picture, just because its wet, doesn't make motorbikes suddenly loose control. Just don't be an idiot and it will be fine. Been riding for more then 2 years now in all weather (including an attempt in the snow :eek:) and haven't dropped my bike...

Do have to agree, a ban + fine is fine, but prison? I would prefer to see a thieving gypsy or a scummy chav in there instead.
 
snowdog said:
A track doesn't help you go from A to B faster, which is what this bike rider wanted.
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I couldn't give a monkies if he wanted to get anywhere faster. The limit is 70.....end of!

If he wants the thrills of going faster, he could use a track (which would no doubt have rules about adequate protective clothing!)
 
The thing is that getting up to 122 on a bike only takes sec so in reality it could have just been a quick blip on the throttle.

Obviously his whole journey wont be at 122.


Cheers.
 
Clarkey said:
Seems like pretty typical biker behaviour to me.
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Typical biker? Yes yes I ride a bike so I have to comment. But do you know a broad spectrum of bikers so you can ask them?

I would say it was far from typical biker mentality to hammer it in the wet with a child on the back. But then neither to I know every single biker in the country, I do know quite a few who understand how bikes can hurt a bit if you're an idiot.

Anyway, what a tool, speeding up because it's raining. I'd have handed down a few crotch punches as opposed to a prison sentence though. Or maybe a throwing him into the stocks and the local villagers throwing rotten fruit and grenades.
 
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