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[ivrytwr3]

It was copied, although i do agree with quite a bit of it. That being said, the new T&C blasted by the Daily Fail are rage bait. The new bill is in its second reading in the house, and is a wide ranging addition to legislation. The change is nothing more than a change of terms of service.

I'm one of those that likes to stir the pot

 

[ttaskmaster]

At school we had the Combined cadet force CCF this was in the nineteen sixties. We had an armoury of Lee Enfield .303 mostly bored down to take .22 for use on our 25 yard range. We did have .303 blanks for exercises and some parade functions. It is quite a long time ago now but i still remember the smell of cordite in the morning.

Most of the teaching staff had served in the second world war or had done national service. My house master was a captain, metalwork a squadron leader, PE an army corporal etc., etc.

We had some pupils who were CCF guys, not as part of our school itself, but who went to cadet units at another (usually private) school. They had every bit of kit under the sun in their own stores, from being issued the latest uniforms to having full-fat SA80s in their on-site armouries, and were complaining about having to go for 'yet another' experience flight in a Harrier or Tornado.
Meanwhile those of us in the volunteer cadet units like ACF and ATC were lucky if we had some old deactivated No4 rifles or an occasional day with a few rounds through an L98 up at Otmoor, had to buy most uniform and kit from our own pockets at surplus shops, and many Air Cadets never actually got to fly in so much as a Chipmunk or Vigilant glider.

My bro-in-law was CCF and his daughter is there currently. Doesn'ty look like much has changed over the decades.
I remember as a regular soldier when we had the sprogs in, you could always tell who was CCF and who were ACF, as the latter put the effort in and always looked/behaved really smart. The CCFers were often (though not always) a messy bag of ********, who just didn't want to be there in the first place, and their adult staff seemed to think that having VRT insignia made them all the bosses of us.

 

[nft_99]

my keyboard is ready, boxing stance perfected. Let's Roll !!!!

 

[Hagar]

We had some pupils who were CCF guys, not as part of our school itself, but who went to cadet units at another (usually private) school. They had every bit of kit under the sun in their own stores, from being issued the latest uniforms to having full-fat SA80s in their on-site armouries, and were complaining about having to go for 'yet another' experience flight in a Harrier or Tornado.
Meanwhile those of us in the volunteer cadet units like ACF and ATC were lucky if we had some old deactivated No4 rifles or an occasional day with a few rounds through an L98 up at Otmoor, had to buy most uniform and kit from our own pockets at surplus shops, and many Air Cadets never actually got to fly in so much as a Chipmunk or Vigilant glider.

My bro-in-law was CCF and his daughter is there currently. Doesn'ty look like much has changed over the decades.
I remember as a regular soldier when we had the sprogs in, you could always tell who was CCF and who were ACF, as the latter put the effort in and always looked/behaved really smart. The CCFers were often (though not always) a messy bag of ********, who just didn't want to be there in the first place, and their adult staff seemed to think that having VRT insignia made them all the bosses of us.

I was at boarding school and CCF was pretty much a compulsory activity. Either army or air force. I flew once in a chipmunk but we also had a bungee launched glider at school (think ten young lads pulling each end of a rubber rope), pretty hairy at times with little safety equipment.

We had to be smart, blancoed belts and gaiters, polished brasswork, boots etc.

 

[ttaskmaster]

We had to be smart, blancoed belts and gaiters, polished brasswork, boots etc.

Much had changed by the early 90s... Almost nobody even knew what blaco was, by then!

 

[Hagar]

Much had changed by the early 90s... Almost nobody even knew what blaco was, by then!

No we looked like versions of WW2 soldiers, i did my DofE with largely ex MOD equipment, tent, stove and frame to carry it all on. It was just twenty years after hostilities ended after all.

 

[ttaskmaster]

No we looked like versions of WW2 soldiers, i did my DofE with largely ex MOD equipment, tent, stove and frame to carry it all on. It was just twenty years after hostilities ended after all.

Like I said, by the 1990s no-one knew what blanco was any more - It was all Para smocks and SAS smocks and PLCE webbing.

 

[gary996]

I would not fight for this government

 

[Dis86]

I would not fight for this government

Id probably fight them though. Utter traitors.

 

[Penfold101]

I would not fight for this government

You don’t - you fight for the country.

Technically, your allegiance is to the Crown - the attestation contains no mention of parliament or anything political. Seeing as the King holds no real power in terms of decision making or defence matters, you’re all good!

 

[RedMogg]

You don’t - you fight for the country.

Technically, your allegiance is to the Crown - the attestation contains no mention of parliament or anything political. Seeing as the King holds no real power in terms of decision making or defence matters, you’re all good!

As someone who was directly harmed by people hiding behind crown immunity, the big-eared git in a fancy hat can suck it, too.

 

[Gray2233]

You don’t - you fight for the country.

Technically, your allegiance is to the Crown - the attestation contains no mention of parliament or anything political. Seeing as the King holds no real power in terms of decision making or defence matters, you’re all good!

I doubt anyone sane and young enough to be an on the ground would fight for this country given what the last several gov' bodies have done to it.

As someone that used to be very patriotic and pro-military, I'd not suggest anyone throw their lives away for a country that has with successive governments peed their future down the pan. In fact, I'd suggest working as hard as you can in education to ensure moving elsewhere, and preferably to first world east Asia assuming they even want you.

 

[Rroff]

I doubt anyone sane and young enough to be an on the ground would fight for this country given what the last several gov' bodies have done to it.

As someone that used to be very patriotic and pro-military, I'd not suggest anyone throw their lives away for a country that has with successive governments peed their future down the pan. In fact, I'd suggest working as hard as you can in education to ensure moving elsewhere, and preferably to first world east Asia assuming they even want you.

Not like people will get much choice if stuff hits the fan though - emergency powers, a few made examples of, most people will fall in line.

I think some people would be in for a rude awakening as to just how irrelevant their arguments are if there was a serious threat to this country - as the saying goes "You cannot negotiate peace with someone who has come to kill you".

 

[Gray2233]

Not like people will get much choice if stuff hits the fan though - emergency powers, a few made examples of, most people will fall in line.

I think some people would be in for a rude awakening as to just how irrelevant their arguments are if there was a serious threat to this country - as the saying goes "You cannot negotiate peace with someone who has come to kill you".

Given what we've turned young people into, I'd be surprised if that worked anymore. You can enact legal drafting, but you can't force people to do what you want unless they're willing to give up their perceived rights.

If they all just flat out refuse, which I honestly could see happening, what then?

I'm struggling a wee' bit to articulate this because I do not want to become overly political, I requested many moons ago now to be banned from SC because I couldn't be fussed with it. The people who are asking young men to die via patriotism for their country are by and large the same ones that have for decades told young men they were wrong for being patriotic for their country.

The military is in a mess right now because of the same types, you ask any vet and it's the same story whether it's the RAF/ARMY/NAVY. Decades of local peace and bad hiring practises/social movements.

I really would not be surprised if they tried to draft the youth population, and they flat out rebelled because why wouldn't they? Safer than involving themselves in a proverbial WW3.