Dance-off, shooting, FBI, back flip... this thread has it all.

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Tauren said:
I always thought when a new mag gets put into a gun, it needs cocking to load the first round into the chamber ? I could be totally wrong though. I’ve no real world experience with any firearm. :p

Edit. Yeah, what Rroff said.

Basically, there shouldn’t have even been a round in the chamber, especially off duty. Just seems daft to have a round chambered. I don’t think glocks have any manual safety either.
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It should be chambered when you carry it. I carry a glock 26 or 19 and it's chambered ready to go. No safety and nothing holding it in the kydex holster other than friction.

Glocks have an internal safety besides the trigger safety so they are half cocked when you rack the slide. It cant go off when you drop it. When you pull the trigger it sort of cocks it the rest of the way and fires.
 
Tauren said:
Jesus... I mean , I understand the gun being loaded, but cocked and ready to fire as well ??? Why?? Also, shouldn’t it be in a holster, and not loose in his trousers ?
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A lot of armed Americans carry with one chambered and the hammer back. On my rare forays into the American Gun forums they ridicule people who don't.
 
i mean seriously? that's some special level of dumb, pretty damn impressive managing to have it go off when presumably an fbi agent of all bloody people should know how to make a gun not go off when you pick it up.

our only consolation is some day, probably when he's out training, he might well shoot himself in the backside, which we can only hope will teach him a lesson about safety catches and/or double action triggers.
 
kwerk said:
It should be chambered when you carry it. I carry a glock 26 or 19 and it's chambered ready to go. No safety and nothing holding it in the kydex holster other than friction.

Glocks have an internal safety besides the trigger safety so they are half cocked when you rack the slide. It cant go off when you drop it. When you pull the trigger it sort of cocks it the rest of the way and fires.
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Any particular reason why it should be chambered while carrying ? Other than a quicker response time. Just curious.
 
Tauren said:
Any particular reason why it should be chambered while carrying ? Other than a quicker response time. Just curious.
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It's pretty much the only way its viable for defence.

If you're carrying for "self sefence" it needs to be immediately useable as you may have only a second or two to react.
 
One might get the impression that living in the states is like front line Afghanistan with the constant need of self defence and quick fire.
 
Tefal said:
It's pretty much the only way its viable for defence.

If you're carrying for "self sefence" it needs to be immediately useable as you may have only a second or two to react.
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Massively debatable and completely depends on your training. There’s camps either side.

Wonder what the numbers are? Very few people will ever need to use their weapon in self defence and those that do, how many use it a second or two after realising? How many accidents are cause by having a round chambered.

I personally don’t care, but it’s not as cut and dry as you say.
 
It's like living in South Africa or Brazil. There's places in each city you dont go unarmed.

A few years ago a couple of niaive Brits got a bit drunk one night and found their way in to the wrong side of town, and got killed pretty quick. Happened in Florida.


Raymond Lin said:
One might get the impression that living in the states is like front line Afghanistan with the constant need of self defence and quick fire.
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You lose fine motor control when adrenaline hits, and forget everything that isnt muscle memory. So the simplier the better.

And you could be already injured in one arm, someone could be grabbing your arm, or you're on the phone/radio, holding a steering wheel, flashlight, holding a baby, whatever. I've never seen anyone carry unchambered except Israelis. In fact I think it's called an "Israeli draw".

There are ways to make it a bit more secure like holsters that have sort of safety button thing so other people cant grab your gun out if it, but it still only needs one hand.

Tauren said:
Any particular reason why it should be chambered while carrying ? Other than a quicker response time. Just curious.
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Minstadave said:
Massively debatable and completely depends on your training. There’s camps either side.

Wonder what the numbers are? Very few people will ever need to use their weapon in self defence and those that do, how many use it a second or two after realising? How many accidents are cause by having a round chambered.

I personally don’t care, but it’s not as cut and dry as you say.
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Well it seems to be the side the fbi come down on.

And that's what they carry thier weapons for.

Civilians are another even more mixed barrwl
 
Tefal said:
Well it seems to be the side the fbi come down on.

And that's what they carry thier weapons for.

Civilians are another even more mixed barrwl
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I can understand it for a law enforcement offer putting themselves in harms way, although as this shows, it’s not without risk even with training.

For Jo public it’s probably a really stupid idea.
 
Minstadave said:
I can understand it for a law enforcement offer putting themselves in harms way, although as this shows, it’s not without risk even with training.

For Jo public it’s probably a really stupid idea.
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The stats show for Joe public its a stupid idea to carry a gun full stop
 
kwerk said:
And you could be already injured in one arm, someone could be grabbing your arm, or you're on the phone/radio, holding a steering wheel, flashlight, holding a baby, whatever. I've never seen anyone carry unchambered except Israelis. In fact I think it's called an "Israeli draw".
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don't the russians have a special holster for the makarov that racks the slide for you when drawing? i think the tactic is to push down and crouch simaltaneously so that you can then aim with a smaller profile.
 
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