Davenport Lyons going against file sharers

quicksort said:
Downloading a game for free is effectively as bad as stealing it from a shop, the end result is the same.
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No your completely wrong there.

Stealing from a shop puts the shop out of business.

Stealing off the internet puts the publisher/company out of business.

But putting companies out of business who make crap games should be encouraged.
 
Who wants to join me for some of this **** right here?

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JBuk said:
it is not upto Davenport Lyons to impose deterrents, they are not the law
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The point though is that they will either take you to court who will then impose a deterrent, or they will offer you the option now to accept the deterrent now and not go through the courts.
 
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Damn! Talk about doing your homework.

If they didn't even bother to send the letter via recorded delivery, then they aren't a very professional setup. Just claim that you didn't receive any letter.
 
thepharcyde said:
Would you nick a game/dvd/cd from a highstreet retailer? All you who sit being your PC's believing you are above the law is just damn well niave.
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In legal terms, theft is not the same thing as copyright infringement.

To be guilty of theft you have to have dishonestly appropriated property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it. Sharing a game, whether that be by uploading it via P2P, duplicating it, lending it to a friend, etc... is not permanently depriving another party, hence why those who receive these letters, such as the OP, are not being accused of theft but of infringing the copyright.

Therefore, asking whether the OP would "nick a game/dvd/cd from a highstreet retailer" is irrelevant - you might as well ask him if he'd smoke marijuana... that's not related to what Davenport Lyons are accusing him of either.

Instead, you should have asked if he'd record onto tape the Top 40 on a Sunday afternoon, or whether he would lend a friend a DVD he has bought, or if he would show a film on an oilrig (assuming he worked on one)... at least these are actually cases of infringing copyright - the same thing as he has been accused of.
 
Teki187 said:
No your completely wrong there.

Stealing from a shop puts the shop out of business.

Stealing off the internet puts the publisher/company out of business.

But putting companies out of business who make crap games should be encouraged.
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Games being downloaded from the internet means less games being bought in shops, meaning shops buy less and less stock. Hence downloading games has an impact on shops as well as the publisher.
 
thepharcyde said:
Okay, I hope the op gets taken to the cleaners :D

Would you nick a game/dvd/cd from a highstreet retailer? All you who sit being your PC's believing you are above the law is just damn well niave.
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Please don't drag up that tired, hackneyed idea of 'physical theft' being the same as 'intellectual property or data theft'. You sound like the start of a big-budget DVD :-) The two things are NOT the same. People are always going to share data online freely, no matter to whom that data originally belongs, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

I don't mean to sound insulting, it's just annoying to hear the same old crap every time somebody mentions file sharing, from people who 9 times out of 10 are in no position to lecture others on the rights and wrongs of file sharing...
 
quicksort said:
Games being downloaded from the internet means less games being bought in shops, meaning shops buy less and less stock. Hence downloading games has an impact on shops as well as the publisher.
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So you're saying we should all stop buying games online too, because high-street shops don't sell PC games on the shelf anymore. Oh no, those poor international chains will have to rely on console games to generate their billions. :rolleyes:
 
peanutismint said:
Please don't drag up that tired, hackneyed idea of 'physical theft' being the same as 'intellectual property or data theft'. You sound like the start of a big-budget DVD :-) The two things are NOT the same. People are always going to share data online freely, no matter to whom that data originally belongs, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
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Games being downloaded from the internet means less games being bought in shops, meaning shops buy less and less stock. Hence downloading games has an impact on shops as well as the publisher.
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quicksort said:
Where is the deterrent if the worst that can happen is paying the cost of the game + admin fees?
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If is a deterrent why is there no warning? and also shouldn't the judge be the one deciding how much damage should be awarded? Those greedy people are in it for the profit....

PS Can there be a sticky or something.. there are far too many thread of this topic....
 
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Ulfhedjinn said:
So you're saying we should all stop buying games online because high-street shops don't sell PC games on the shelf anymore. :rolleyes:
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Please stop slitting hairs. "Shops" is referring to online stores also in my previous statement (although this does somewhat contradict the hypothetical situation of a physical theft, but it's irrelevant anyway).
 
Great post btw, really informative. Good show! :-)

I apologise for my previous post - I don't think we're ever all going to agree on file sharing, so I'm going to take the first step towards peace and harmony by saying that I respect anyone whose view is that file sharing is wrong, even if it's not what I believe.
 
Seems like a very dodgy outfit indead, and all there good for is trying to scare people out of their money and like hell they should get it. Bring them down and for that their worth. Thieving ****.
Good luck!

~Slash
 
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