Davenport Lyons going against file sharers

aa6972 said:
and also shouldn't the judge be the one deciding how much damage should be awarded? Those greedy people are in it for the profit....
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Well that's the point, nobody is being forced to pay the fine. You're welcome to go to court and see what the judge decides is a reasonable amount (although how often the cases get this far, I don't know).
 
quicksort said:
Please stop slitting hairs. "Shops" is referring to online stores also in my previous statement (although this does somewhat contradict the hypothetical situation of a physical theft, but it's irrelevant anyway).
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By the way, did you know PC sales account for nearly 50% of the market?

Oh those poor, poor publishers and developers. However will they cope with piracy killing them? :(
 
quicksort said:
Games being downloaded from the internet means less games being bought in shops, meaning shops buy less and less stock. Hence downloading games has an impact on shops as well as the publisher.
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Well considering the PC section in most gaming shops has shrunk to a shelf or 2, i don't think downloading a game would make any impact at all.

Besides gaming shops are more interested in keeping the children entertained with there consoles. And not adults with there PC's.
 
quicksort said:
And you point is...?
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I'm just responding to your sensationalist claims and finger-pointing.

I'm going to finish this thread off: -
Person A: "You're a thief, I am better than you!"
Person B: "I'm not a thief <explains why>!"
Person A: "Yes you are <explains why>!"
Person B: "No, you're wrong!"
Person A: "Well piracy is still killing the games industry!"
Person B: "No it's not!"
Person A: "You're still breaking the law, criminal scum!"
Person B: "Like you never did anything wrong!"

Ok it's over, can we get back to the topic at hand now?
 
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thepharcyde said:
Umm if you actually purchase a legit copy of a said disc etc, its stamped all over it :)
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:D by the way, I just wanna say I DO buy my games, nor am I supporter of illegal d/l. I just dont like the way those lawyers operate, especially if I get a letter just because I happen to be the person who paying the bill.

by the way, Can i ask which ISP users has those letters? and for the experts - does selecting protocol encryption or using peer guardian works?
 
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quicksort said:
My argument is that downloading games has some impact on the games industry.

Hardly a "sensationalist" claim.
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I already finished this conversation off, so it doesn't matter.

Ulfhedjinn said:
I'm going to finish this thread off: -
Person A: "You're a thief, I am better than you!"
Person B: "I'm not a thief <explains why>!"
Person A: "Yes you are <explains why>!"
Person B: "No, you're wrong!"
Person A: "Well piracy is still killing the games industry!"
Person B: "No it's not!"
Person A: "You're still breaking the law, criminal scum!"
Person B: "Like you never did anything wrong!"

Ok it's over, can we get back to the topic at hand now?
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GarethDW said:
In legal terms, theft is not the same thing as copyright infringement.

To be guilty of theft you have to have dishonestly appropriated property belonging to another with the intention of permanently depriving the other of it. Sharing a game, whether that be by uploading it via P2P, duplicating it, lending it to a friend, etc... is not permanently depriving another party, hence why those who receive these letters, such as the OP, are not being accused of theft but of infringing the copyright.

Therefore, asking whether the OP would "nick a game/dvd/cd from a highstreet retailer" is irrelevant - you might as well ask him if he'd smoke marijuana... that's not related to what Davenport Lyons are accusing him of either.

Instead, you should have asked if he'd record onto tape the Top 40 on a Sunday afternoon, or whether he would lend a friend a DVD he has bought, or if he would show a film on an oilrig (assuming he worked on one)... at least these are actually cases of infringing copyright - the same thing as he has been accused of.
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Theft, or not theft. He's broken the law.
 
Teki187 said:
But putting companies out of business who make crap games should be encouraged.
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Maybe if we all had the same moral standard as you, piracy would only have an impact on the crap companies. But the reality is that people will pirate games from any company regardless of how much effort has gone into the game.
 
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