David Cameron is going to try and ban encryption in Britain

LordSplodge · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:19

AlecR said:
So wait, if I use Snapchat when it's "banned" what's going to happen to me?

Nothing but none of the data you transfer will be private...from anybody with enough knowledge to packet sniff. Bad guys, the Government (probably bad guys too), your neighbour....your neighbours dog.

arknor · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:30

AlecR said:
So wait, if I use Snapchat when it's "banned" what's going to happen to me?

encryption banning is really the war on drugs.

they want everyone using silk road type sites to use plain text addresses

spoffle · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:32

LordSplodge said:
Nothing but none of the data you transfer will be private...from anybody with enough knowledge to packet sniff. Bad guys, the Government (probably bad guys too), your neighbour....your neighbours dog.

That's on the basis of Snapchat and WhatsApp actually losing encryption, rather than becoming "banned".

TechMinerUK · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:33

Classic political tactics.

Disguise removing freedoms as "against terrorism" so those who don't understand the implications vote in their favor.

I doubt he will succeed as too many companies require this and it would result in their definite relocation elsewhere causing job loss/effects on the economy.

scorza · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:33

TechMinerUK said:
Classic political tactics.

Disguise removing freedoms as "against terrorism" so those who don't understand the implications vote in their favor.

I doubt he will succeed as too many companies require this and it would result in their definite relocation elsewhere causing job loss/effects on the economy.

The companies involved aren't based in the UK to begin with.

TechMinerUK · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:46

scorza said:
The companies involved aren't based in the UK to begin with.

Oh, well in that case we have a slight issue then as most of the non tech-savvy British public will probably vote for it because "terrorism is bad and is more important than anything else" :eek:

scorza · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:47

TechMinerUK said:
Oh, well in that case we have a slight issue then as most of the non tech-savvy British public will probably vote for it because "terrorism is bad and is more important than anything else"

British public don't get a say - we've elected MPs to represent us in parliament and it's up to them to decide what the law of the land should be.

gothic_hobbit · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:53

randal said:
Always moaning at Tory voters. How short your memories are, remember the labour government? They wanted the same.

Even worse.

Labour wanted ID cards.

scorza · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:56

gothic_hobbit said:
Even worse.

Labour wanted ID cards.

ID cards would be useful if we wanted to stop the hordes of illegal immigrants in Calais as they're useful in combatting the black economy.

krooton · 10 Jul 2015 at 15:59

scorza said:
ID cards would be useful if we wanted to stop the hordes of illegal immigrants in Calais as they're useful in combatting the black economy.

Then it's only a matter of time until you have Fingermen assaulting your wimminz!

scorza · 10 Jul 2015 at 16:01

krooton said:
Then it's only a matter of time until you have Fingermen assaulting your wimminz!

Lots of countries have ID card systems without having Norsefire governments.

TechMinerUK · 10 Jul 2015 at 16:19

scorza said:
Lots of countries have ID card systems without having Norsefire governments.

Just the other countries you've got to worry about *cough* USA *cough*

ubern00b · 10 Jul 2015 at 16:32

I am coming into this a bit late and it may have been discussed already but what happens with things like on-line banking or my companies various secure portals for remote access or flexible workers personal details etc? Everything just becomes plain text?

scorza · 10 Jul 2015 at 16:40

TechMinerUK said:
Just the other countries you've got to worry about *cough* USA *cough*

Why do I have to worry about the USA? The USA doesn't have ID cards does it?

ubern00b said:
I am coming into this a bit late and it may have been discussed already but what happens with things like on-line banking or my companies various secure portals for remote access or flexible workers personal details etc? Everything just becomes plain text?

If you look past the hysterical thread title, this is just about wanting US companies like Facebook, Google etc to help the UK security services. The UK banks already co-operate when a court warrant is presented so there's no beef with them.

ubern00b · 10 Jul 2015 at 16:43

scorza said:
If you look past the hysterical thread title, this is just about wanting US companies like Facebook, Google etc to help the UK security services. The UK banks already co-operate when a court warrant is presented so there's no beef with them.

Got it, thank you.

TechMinerUK · 10 Jul 2015 at 16:53

scorza said:
Why do I have to worry about the USA? The USA doesn't have ID cards does it?

Not sure if this is sarcasm or serious

[TW]Fox · 10 Jul 2015 at 18:26

TechMinerUK said:
Classic political tactics.

Disguise removing freedoms as "against terrorism" so those who don't understand the implications vote in their favor.

It's not a disguise at all, the reason is quite honest. It's not as if its being done as an evil secret plot to arrest people plotting to vote Labour at the next election. It is to help fight terrorism.

However the issue is whether its a rational and justified measure, which I am not so sure it is.

Be against it because it's draconian not because you want to pretend it's some sort of nasty plot to steal freedoms for no reason other than stealing freedoms.

This nonsense that it's all some sort of lie to convince the sheeple undermines the often good arguments why it shouldn't happen as it quite easily allows for those who are against the idea to be dismissed as tin foil hat wearers.

V F · 10 Jul 2015 at 18:31

[TW]Fox;28295708 said:
as it quite easily allows for those who are against the idea to be dismissed as tin foil hat wearers.

This is beyond getting old.

Energize · 11 Jul 2015 at 20:59

[TW]Fox;28295708 said:
It's not a disguise at all, the reason is quite honest. It's not as if its being done as an evil secret plot to arrest people plotting to vote Labour at the next election. It is to help fight terrorism.

I don't really believe the terrorism excuse is credible, stopping law-breaking in general yes, the government have introduced absurd laws over the last few years that criminalise good honest people, but the terrorist threat is not really there to begin with.

Tefal · 11 Jul 2015 at 21:43

[TW]Fox;28295708 said:
It's not a disguise at all, the reason is quite honest. It's not as if its being done as an evil secret plot to arrest people plotting to vote Labour at the next election. It is to help fight terrorism.

so where the surveillance laws but then they ended up being used to have the police stake out peoples houses all day to check if they lived in the right catchment area for the school they sent their children to.

or to follow dog walkers to catch them not picking up poop.

both huge wastes of police time which is what happens when you give idiots in local government or government control over police time.