Caporegime
Can you not see the irony in telling people to learn to cope with it is part of the problem?
It's definitely not just basic numeracy to state what you have about most mental health cases.
David Cameron: 'We need to end stigma of mental health'
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Can you not see the irony in telling people to learn to cope with it is part of the problem?
It's definitely not just basic numeracy to state what you have about most mental health cases.
Soldato
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I must be omniscient or something, replied to you before your statement
There's definately something wrong with our society that's the cause of this problem, the whole "stiff upper lip" concept isn't exactly new, and there's scores of memes around pointing out that the 18 year olds of the early 1910's and 1940's had a considerably worse time of life than we do (something to do with people trying to kill them and the almost complete abscence of any decent healthcare let alone mental healthcare).
Something has shifted in our society that people who "have it all" so to speak compared to what things used to be like end up taking their own lives, i somehow have a feeling that our always on 24/7 advertising, socialising consuming culture is overloading young minds, you see horrific stories every day in the papers, you get bullies in schools and on the internet at home and through all this you get told you've never had it so good and you'll never be as good as the tough as nails old blokes who just had to get on with things.
Then when you finally crack from the pressure you get told to "buck your ideas up", tbh i'm not sure how the nhs alone is going to be able to deal with that.
not really, it is something people are going to have to do since it is something that affects pretty much everyone - it is a part of life and in most cases you need to accept it and learn to deal with it
and yes it is basic numeracy, it isn't really possible to give out free counselling to 25% of the population each year nor is it always beneficial to have people continually popping pills for anxiety or depression... in a lot of cases you're just going to have to learn to cope with it... go get some books on mindfulness, go to a local class etc..
Caporegime
You have an extremely simplistic view on mental health, I'll leave you to crack on.
well how would you propose to treat 16 million people a year?
Man of Honour
So just ignoring it is the answer? Jesus. You're taking a page out of Jeremy Hunt's book.
Caporegime
I haven't suggested I even begin to know how to treat everyone affected, my problem is with the stigma attached to it is never going to change if the majority of those affected are just told to deal with it. That's pretty much how it's being handled now and it's only getting worse.
I've not said just ignore it though, try to at least read properly before making stupid comparisons like that. I've pointed out that in a lot of cases it is simply something people need to learn to cope with - mindfulness classes can be useful etc.. it isn't practical for everyone with anxiety or depression to have 1 to 1 counselling or be put on long term medication because pretty much most of the population are going to have one of those things at some point. When you're talking about 1 in 4 people per year then most of those aren't the super serious cases, you're talking about something that is a part of life just like various physical illnesses and in a lot of cases you do need to just learn to cope with it.
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unfortunately its a view shared by a lot of people.
im tired of comments on news articles regarding suicides saying that the victim was a "coward" or "selfish".
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I didn't say all depression is comparable to having a cold. I said you could have a bout of depression which will resolve itself in time and that is an entirely normal part of the human experience. I believe this is the case for most people who experience depression, but not all. There are of course more severe cases of depression which do require treatment.
As usual, I do not speak on a topic I know nothing about. After losing my mother, sister, nephew, grandmother and cousin in the space of two years, you might appreciate I was pretty depressed. I was unable to get out of bed most days. The doctors pushed me into taking anti-depressants and I spent the next two years in misery.
I sincerely believe the best decision I ever made was to stop going to the doctor and take things into my own hands. Sure, I was going through a pretty hard time when I first went to the doctors, but there is no way it would have lasted two years without being trapped on medication I didn't need.
I've spoken to many people who had the exact same experience as me. It's not like I am just going off on one for the sake of it.
Man of Honour
Well, perhaps not here, but you're falling into the trap of thinking that because you know something, you know everything and that your experience is representative. It's not.
The reasons behind depression are complex, varied and personal. For some people, it is a chemical imbalance - it's a physiological issue. For some, it's caused by social issues, sometimes they have control of that and can work they way to a better place and sometimes that's not possible.
Depending on what they cause is, depends what treatment is most effective. Some people find SSRIs help, some find that counselling helps, some will struggle through it for the rest of their life. To have effective and comprehensive MH care, you need to be willing to tackle these diverse causes with holistic treatments - and that is expensive.
Soldato
Amitryptyline-type antidepressants can act as prophylactics for tension headaches. It is a standard conservative therapy that is tried early for persistent headaches. Why would you stop going to the docs ?
Soldato
Just dropping this here.
I'm not sure he was talking specifically about 'alternative medicine' when he mentioned 'holistic treatments'... more like a 'holistic approach'
for example a GP giving out malaria tablets might also advise people to use insect repellent and make use of a mosquito net at night etc.. that is a holistic approach to the issue
for example a GP giving out malaria tablets might also advise people to use insect repellent and make use of a mosquito net at night etc.. that is a holistic approach to the issue
This sounds cover for all of the suffering that this government are needlessly putting mentally ill people through.
Benefit sanctions against people with mental health problems up by 600 per cent - Charities have warned that sanctions are making mental health problems worse
Benefit sanctions against people with mental health problems up by 600 per cent - Charities have warned that sanctions are making mental health problems worse
Man of Honour
When I use the term holistic, I use it in the context of needing social and physiological support. Social in both social support networks and access to social welfare. Most MH issues can't be treated by drugs alone.
I was not referring to alternative medicine.
I dont think you understand at all, tell me how someone through a mental health issue and cannot string a sentence together or remain in a calm and rational manner around people is meant to think just cope with it, whether that be strangers, people they know etc etc, seeing a specialist at an appointment etc is not as simple as it may sound, it can be quite terrifying just thinking about going, getting on public transport is another problem.
Simple everyday things become harder and harder to actually do, what do you suggest someone do who has shut themselves away to the point they dont want to see anyone at all, i could go on, that is just a short example of some of the issues a person can go through, so learning to cope with it is probably last on the list when the above is happening to someone with mental health issue, you cannot just think ah just cope with it.
actually I think you don't understand - you're completely missing the point, 16 million people aren't housebound and unable to string a sentence together - you're talking about the more severe cases and I'm not referring to them when I'm talking about the majority of people, obviously *some* people need CBT, drugs etc.. but we're talking about a quarter of the entire population each year who suffer some form of mental illness - they don't all need regular counselling and pills