DC2 Integra drivers - 2 quick questions.

Ollie's Gadgets said:
That is the least helpful reply you could have given. If you feel I have failed to grasp your point of view then why don't you explain it in a different way.

However I am certain that this is not the case, as I accepted that "Japanese cars might not be quite as nice inside" and then went on to ask you the question "do you want something that looks nice or works?". You then stated that I missed your point, which makes me wonder whether you actually read my post!

Korean, my mistake.
I want and expect both.

I don't see the 2 elements of quality and reliability to always be the same thing and I can make it no clearer than that. The subtlety of my above post was lost on you and my black and white summary of my point also seemed to pass you by. Oh, and one more thing, I am not here to be useful to you young Ollie, though if I can I will, I am here to make a point and just because you may miss that point does not make your point any more or less valid, no matter how vociferous you may be in expressing it...
 
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housemaster said:
I want and expect both.

I don't see the 2 elements of quality and reliability to always be the same thing and I can make it no clearer than that.

That is what I am saying. But I advanced this point to say that given the choice I would prefer reliability over interior quality. Not sure why you have failed to grasp that.


housemaster said:
The subtlety of my above post was lost on you

Oh please, I wouldn't go raving about the subtleties of your post. Theirs pride in your work and then theres arrogance.

housemaster said:
black and white summary of my point also seemed to pass you by.

No I fully took onboard what you were saying, but stated that this kind of analogy was not particular useful as you are useing an extreme scenario. I feel it was my comment on it that passed you by.

housemaster said:
Oh, and one more thing, I am not here to be useful to you young Ollie

Then why bother replying to my comment at all. If you are not here to be useful to the person you are replying to then there is no need to post a reply.

However I thought the the point of a discussion forum is to discuss and issue or topic in an attempt to educate oneself or another. If you do not agree with this ethos then why post?
 
Ollie's Gadgets said:
This is one of the most irrational things I have ever heard. You state that the Japs make reliable cars although they don't feel it.

You would prefer something that feels solid and reliable but which is not?
I think hes saying rather than have a jap plastic mobile, that will do 500k without missing a beat he'd rather have something that is of a higher quality that will last 250k. Get it now?
housemaster said:
Oh, and one more thing, I am not here to be useful to you young Ollie, though if I can I will
I'm guna try and be useful to you here housemaster, calling someone young because your twice there age does not make you look more inteligent or experienced on a matter, it does however make you come across like a bit of a condescending old man who thinks he knows it all, and whilst im sure in some instances you do know quite a bit, it isn't very becoming of you.
 
Ollie's Gadgets said:
It was quite clear that the irrational reference was towards you preferring a solid feeling car that was less reliable, not the simple fact that Jap cars don't feel solid but infact are.

I hardly think its irrational, is it? It's my personal preference. One of the reasons I chose a 5 Series (as it seems that some poeple just can't wait to drag it into this thread so I may as well let them) over an Impreza Turbo was the quality of the interior and exterior. I know full well an Impreza would be more reliable, but preffering the car that felt of higher quality inside and out is hardly an irrational choice, is it?

People do it all the time. Take Alfa, for example. Comically unreliable, poor quality cars. But people buy this, knowing them. They KNOW it'll break, they KNOW it was built with the care of a drunk monkey but they love the heart and soul of an Alfa and are prepared to put up with the issues to attain this.

Do people buy Ferraris becuase they are reliable?

Many German car owners KNOW it might need a few more trips to the dealer than a Honda, but they are prepared to tolerate this becuase the interior and exterior quality is, or was until recently, leagues ahead.

I really don't understand why this point is lost on you?

Right because a Kia Pride is the only Japanese car.

It's actually Korean.

Your tend to use exagerations or extremes to make your points,

Points which, it would seem, you always miss. My point was that if mechanical reliability was all that mattered when buying a car, everyone would drive something like a Kia Pride (Which on reflection probably isn't that reliable, so I will instead say Suzuki Liana).

which personally I don't think is particularly clever.

No comment.
 
Ollie's Gadgets said:
That is what I am saying. But I advanced this point to say that given the choice I would prefer reliability over interior quality. Not sure why you have failed to grasp that.

No, you were saying it was irrational NOT to prefer reliability over interior and exterior quality.
 
willd58 said:
I'm guna try and be useful to you here housemaster, calling someone young because your twice there age does not make you look more inteligent or experienced on a matter, it does however make you come across like a bit of a condescending old man who thinks he knows it all, and whilst im sure in some instances you do know quite a bit, it isn't very becoming of you.
I was being condescending, its a weakness! When your old enough you'll admit to your weaknesses ;)

I actually take myself a lot less seriously than you/people may think....
 
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housemaster said:
I actually take myself a lot less seriously than you/people may think....

You are wasting your time trying to convince half of this lot of that. They are convinced the internet is serious business and a strong opinion is the online equivilant of knifing someone :p
 
[TW]Fox said:
You are wasting your time trying to convince half of this lot of that. They are convinced the internet is serious business and a strong opinion is the online equivilant of knifing someone :p
You're probably right. When I find my posts being pulled appart on a line by line basis I tend to loose interest because it's well past the point of no return. People stop listening at this point (not that they listen much anyway, but I don't blaim em) and start to interpret what they want to think and hear rather than the often very simple point I am trying to make. Never have a problem with people thinking I talk tosh or disagreeing just when it becomes a NEED to be proved right. If it's really that important to them I am happy to conceeed, well unless I have had beer then I want to kill em ;)
 
To the OP...

Id definitely go for the Teg, it would have been my choice before my prelude if I could have afforded it back then!

On the other hand, looking back, the price I would have paid for a teg is also the price I bought my Lude for (£800 !!) + 1 years insurance + tax + a few parts and upgrades + a lot of fuel! At that it is a more comfortable and refined drive than the teg and I would dare say it would give it a good run for it's money, in fact, isn't my 190bhp JDM faster than a standard DC2?

I also don't know how anyone can say the interior is "horrid", but then again I suppose it's one of those things you either like or hate (marmite) :D




Quite simply the way I see it is, the integra is a great car, it will turn a lot of heads. The Prelude is almost the same car but at a fraction of the price, but it won't turn so many heads. Depends what you really want.

My baby:





With regards to a Celica 190... YUUUUCK, now that is Marmite! ...ST185 tbh ;)
 
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