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***DEAL OF THE MILLENIUM - MSI GTX 470 Twin FrozR ONLY £143.99 Inc. VAT!!*****
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Soldato
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Wobbling all over here...
Get the GTX480? Yay, power and maxing everything out for a good while even I upgrade my monitor! But... those temps... that noise... what if we have a scorching summer?
So the GTX470? Yay to the custom cooler and overclocking to around stock 480 levels (possibly). But... the cooler dumps the hot air back into the case... and my PWMs are already hot... and it's not THAT much of a step up from my overclocked 460. But so cheap...
So, maybe I'll keep my GTX460 1GB? Yay for the super low power draw, cool and quiet running and decent gaming power. Clocks to 885 without even pushing volts past Afterburner limits and still very cool under load. Surely enough to max MOST games at 1680x1050 for another year? But, but... then I won't see Metro2033 or Crysis Warhead in all their glory. And what about Deus Ex 3 and Crysis 2!! And it's boring. But I've only had it for a month already...
I feel like Gollum in that passage where he's having the argument with himself about killing the hobbits...
Aaargh!
Get the GTX480? Yay, power and maxing everything out for a good while even I upgrade my monitor! But... those temps... that noise... what if we have a scorching summer?
So the GTX470? Yay to the custom cooler and overclocking to around stock 480 levels (possibly). But... the cooler dumps the hot air back into the case... and my PWMs are already hot... and it's not THAT much of a step up from my overclocked 460. But so cheap...
So, maybe I'll keep my GTX460 1GB? Yay for the super low power draw, cool and quiet running and decent gaming power. Clocks to 885 without even pushing volts past Afterburner limits and still very cool under load. Surely enough to max MOST games at 1680x1050 for another year? But, but... then I won't see Metro2033 or Crysis Warhead in all their glory. And what about Deus Ex 3 and Crysis 2!! And it's boring. But I've only had it for a month already...
I feel like Gollum in that passage where he's having the argument with himself about killing the hobbits...
Aaargh!
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Oh, that would suck. I do hope you're wrong 
Still... even if they are both let-downs I'd like to see them being let down in all their eye-candy-laden splendour!
So... I guess the question is: will there be any games EXCEPT Metro, Crysis and Crysis 2 (oh, and Cryostasis) that a 460 1Gb @ 885MHz core won't handle at maximum at 1680x1050 before the 25nm cards come out?
I mean, who can tell? And what if I upgrade to a 24" monitor?
And... a 480 would be enough to keep my going past the release date of the 25nm cards so I can wait until prices settle down.
But... I don't really NEED it, and I've only had my card for a month.
But I CAN afford it and I do want more power. But I really don't want a lot of noise, and I worry about things getting too hot inside my case... But it's a HAF932 so it should cope... But the PWMs on my IP-35PRO are already hot... But I'll probably upgrade to Bulldozer or Ivy Bridge in a few months anyway...
This is too much!
Still... even if they are both let-downs I'd like to see them being let down in all their eye-candy-laden splendour!
So... I guess the question is: will there be any games EXCEPT Metro, Crysis and Crysis 2 (oh, and Cryostasis) that a 460 1Gb @ 885MHz core won't handle at maximum at 1680x1050 before the 25nm cards come out?
I mean, who can tell? And what if I upgrade to a 24" monitor?
And... a 480 would be enough to keep my going past the release date of the 25nm cards so I can wait until prices settle down.
But... I don't really NEED it, and I've only had my card for a month.
But I CAN afford it and I do want more power. But I really don't want a lot of noise, and I worry about things getting too hot inside my case... But it's a HAF932 so it should cope... But the PWMs on my IP-35PRO are already hot... But I'll probably upgrade to Bulldozer or Ivy Bridge in a few months anyway...
This is too much!
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Consider 2 major releases lined up for later on this year:
1. Rage from Id Software
2. Battlefield 3 from DICE
I know this is all conjecture, but imo it is better to have more power going forward. On the other hand, at your res and by the time these games come out, current pricing for the 560 (and 6950, maybe 570 and 6970 too) should be much lower.
Your call. At the end of the day, you are the best person to make it
1. Rage from Id Software
2. Battlefield 3 from DICE
I know this is all conjecture, but imo it is better to have more power going forward. On the other hand, at your res and by the time these games come out, current pricing for the 560 (and 6950, maybe 570 and 6970 too) should be much lower.
Your call. At the end of the day, you are the best person to make it
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Which is all well and good, except it's glaringly obvious that I'm completely incapable of making it!
Well, without turning into a gibbering wreck, anyway
Well, without turning into a gibbering wreck, anyway
If your case has good airflow, the 480 will run quietly. If you have an average case it will be louder, but not unbearable. If you have a poor case or a Shuttle, it can sound like a tornado. It all depends on case airflow, temperature, and how far you overclock the beast. I suggest using Afterburner software to tailor the fan speed to your liking.
Most of the people who complain about these cards being noisy have never actually owned one.
Most of the people who complain about these cards being noisy have never actually owned one.
Having these two cards on such a good offer at the same time really makes for hard choices I ordered the 480 and am sticking with that choice though simply because although this card might be able to overclock too close too a 480 speed people who seem to be wanting to use this for justification too get the 470 dont seem to take into account that the 480 is overclockable. When overclocked the 480 will be out of the reach of the 470 (well its what I am telling myself so please dont burst my bubble 
) and with the 480 you do get a much better base card.
The only concerns with the 480 are noise and the psu requirements, for me personally I dont think that the noise will be too much a factor I game with headphones on and really a bomb would have to go off outside my room for me to hear it. The power requirements are more of a concern though but I think my coursair 650 should be able to handle a single 480 (prays) running costs are of course another factor but can not really do too much about that. At the end of the day with base speed alone it will hopefully mean that the 480 will last 23% longer before I have the need to upgrade again.
) and with the 480 you do get a much better base card.The only concerns with the 480 are noise and the psu requirements, for me personally I dont think that the noise will be too much a factor I game with headphones on and really a bomb would have to go off outside my room for me to hear it. The power requirements are more of a concern though but I think my coursair 650 should be able to handle a single 480 (prays) running costs are of course another factor but can not really do too much about that. At the end of the day with base speed alone it will hopefully mean that the 480 will last 23% longer before I have the need to upgrade again.
How do you work that out?
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Right so I was all set to save up for an iPad and then this deal came along!!!
I suppose it would be a good jump from my 5770, which may struggle in upcoming games such as Crysis 2, and I take it my PSU can support it.
AHHHH, just dont know what to do! :S
I suppose it would be a good jump from my 5770, which may struggle in upcoming games such as Crysis 2, and I take it my PSU can support it.
AHHHH, just dont know what to do! :S
If you go for the 480, only the 580 can really beat it. If you opt for the 470, step in line behind the 6950, 6970, GTX480, GTX570 and GTX580.
Whether it is worth the extra £50 for ~25% better performance (stock) or ~15% better performance (both overclocked) is down to each individual. I think people should generally go with the best hardware they can reasonably afford.
Whether it is worth the extra £50 for ~25% better performance (stock) or ~15% better performance (both overclocked) is down to each individual. I think people should generally go with the best hardware they can reasonably afford.
The Twin Forza lets the 470 run a few degrees cooler, but it does not take care of heat, it blows it around the inside of your case. Within a case that has poor airflow, these cards may run hotter than reference coolers which expel most of the hot air out of the back. For SLI setups, Twin Forza's can be much worse, reusing and further heating already warm air.
I experienced this problem with GTX460 Hawk SLI, where both cards would cause very high internal case temps.
edit: Would you setup your CPU cooler to blow hot air towards the centre of your case, or to blow it directly towards the outlet fan? Expelling hot air is generally much better, and this is why all performance graphics cards use reference coolers that work this way.
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I have an antec 300, should my side fan be pulling in cold air or taking hot air out?
I would favour pushing cool air in. That worked best for my old GTX460 SLI when I used the same case. You will still recycle hot air around the case, but it will keep you GPU's coooler and the top 140mm fan will expel most of the warm air (some will also be routed via your CPU cooler as wel, rasing CPU temps a little). The 300 is reasonably good, so heat should not be a problem.
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Thanks
Just been looking at a 140mm PCI exhaust fan. That may be an option if I get any issues.
Just been looking at a 140mm PCI exhaust fan. That may be an option if I get any issues.
You'll be fine. I was just pointing out that the Twin-Forza does not completely solve 470 cooling, counter to what many have written here. It is a very good card which has some advantages and some disadvantages.