Death/Dying

Can some one explain to me faith? :confused:

Unqualified belief that something is definitely true and dismissal of the idea that evidence matters. It's usually also true that there isn't any evidence, but the key point of faith (regarding evidence) is the idea that evidence is completely irrelevant.

I can't explain why anyone has faith, but that's what it is.
 
People stop bringing religion into a life and death thread. :rolleyes:

Religion has absolutely nothing to do with life or death.

You don't see a lion on the Serengeti praying for its next meal to be an easy catch. :D [..]

How would we know if they did? I doubt if other animals have enough imagination to be able to make up a religion, but maybe they do. Maybe something simple, an exaggeration of themselves. A super-lion or whatever. Human gods are exaggerations of humans or sometimes just some aspect of humans.

Religion doesn't have anything to do with life or death but it does have something to do with how people think about life or death, so it is relevant to this thread.
 
Staying on topic.

We are all just complicated electro-chemical reactions. When the reaction stops, we stop.

I wasn't conscious before I existed, how can I be scared of the same thing when I cease to exist?

As Woody Allen said "I'm not scared of death, I just don't want to be there when it happens to me."
 
I've not read the whole thread but personally for me I never really considered death before my daughter was born, yeah I was aware of death but it's just not something that crossed my mind.

Now though, I think about it pretty regularly, she's only 2 at the moment and even though she's been my life for the past 2 years she wouldn't remember me at all if I died today, that terrifies me.
 
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Right first things first. jagga1968 should have had a week suspension at least for his very obvious trolling

Secondly I really wish all religious talk was banned. We are a society I hope based on logic reason compassion and the principles of science freedom and democracy. Religion has no place in an educated society.

Please mods at least restrict it to a sub forum then.

Back on topic...I entertain certain wild belief on deaths which I have no real evidence for so they are probably garbage but that's OK I don't force or subtly threaten others with those beliefs. I understand the difference between knowledge and belief.

Anyway. I think the brain is not a highly complex computer I think it is wormhole or dimensional gate that secures us to this reality. I think after death we will encounter a different reality. Things like the things that the brain does upon death DMT produced. The whole NDE phenomenon. I think our western science needs to merge with eastern science/philosophy to grasp a wholler and more fuller picture of reality. That's all I can type on this tiny phone lol
Basically I approach reality from a consciousness perspective rather than an objects or things in the world perspective is consciousness is the fundamental foundation of reality.
I don't care whether there is or is not an afterlife because my choices are based on my knowledge of this life. I don't regret the choices I make....they may be wrong but given the information at the time...I made them. If there actually is an afterlife...whatever form it takes then yes that will be interesting....if there is nothingness then I won't quite literally be aware of that so waste of time thinking about it
 
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Secondly I really wish all religious talk was banned. We are a society I hope based on logic reason compassion and the principles of science freedom and democracy. Religion has no place in an educated society.

So you say.
Being an Atheist I am one of the minority amongst billions & billions of believers.
 
Secondly I really wish all religious talk was banned. We are a society I hope based on logic reason compassion and the principles of science freedom and democracy. Religion has no place in an educated society.

Are you talking about the suppression of open discussion about religion?
 
Are you talking about the suppression of open discussion about religion?

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No its called what is appropriate and what is not but good job on your subtle attack....:rolleyes:. ]

Would you have the village fool on the local council? Why not? he must have his voice heard? Sure he doesnt use logic and reason like everyone else but hey equality and fairness demand he should be given equal voice on the village council and he gets to make decisions that affect everyone in the village right?
 
So you say.
Being an Atheist I am one of the minority amongst billions & billions of believers.

Not in this country you are not. In the world perhaps...but again not in this United Kingdom. Theres a separation of Church and State here... we are a secular society.


...but of course you already knew ALL that didnt you :p
 
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No its called what is appropriate and what is not but good job on your subtle attack....:rolleyes:. ]

Would you have the village fool on the local council? Why not? he must have his voice heard? Sure he doesnt use logic and reason like everyone else but hey equality and fairness demand he should be given equal voice on the village council and he gets to make decisions that affect everyone in the village right?

No. Idiots should not be part of the decision making process, that's why we have things called qualifications.:rolleyes:
 
Not in this country you are not. In the world perhaps...but again not in this United Kingdom. Theres a separation of Church and State here... we are a secular society.


...but of course you already knew ALL that didnt you :p

We do not have a separation of church and state here. The Queen is the head of state and the church state religion of the Church of England. You must be confusing the UK with the USA. :o

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/0/21883918
 
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Now i missed all the deleted threads ??, i was drinking 8 cans of stella, watching football, and smoking like snoop dog.

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Excellent post. I do miss Hitch. :(
 
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No its called what is appropriate and what is not but good job on your subtle attack....:rolleyes:. ]

Would you have the village fool on the local council? Why not? he must have his voice heard? Sure he doesnt use logic and reason like everyone else but hey equality and fairness demand he should be given equal voice on the village council and he gets to make decisions that affect everyone in the village right?

Um ooook then I was only looking for clarification on what your perspective was.
 
Surfer, I don't think the UK is remotely as you think it is.
This country isn't majority atheist, nor even agnostic.

Take this backward hole I live within, most people here will proclaim to follow some form of Christianity, and indeed our local government and regional government is run on the basis of that.
We still do not have gay marriage, because the book says 'gayers are the naughty', some people will actively proclaim into your face that you're going to hell for not following their own little brand of subdivision, as all the others are basically wrong in their opinion, and unless one follows their brand of Christ you don't get in.

Now it doesn't bother me, as I don't think there is heaven and hell in the way they do, if this is a construct, then we'll transfer somewhere, if it isn't then oblivion, either way no big individual man with pearly robes and few seraphim to judge me.

For all the calling out of jagga by myself in part and others, his views from his religion are basically identical to the views of someone within the Free P Church in Northern Ireland, their book differs, but their firebrand nature doesn't. They are hell bent on the destruction of the world and all those in it, as such things bring about the wonderful afterlife they've been promised, and they are determined to tell you so.

This isn't a secular society, it was under Cromwell for a bit, and then it was back to Church and State having the same supreme ruler and 'defender of the faith'.
I don't think our society has anywhere near the numbers of atheists you think it does. Many who do not practice would still on their deathbed still proclaim to follow a God, or would say a prayer when a relative is dying.

I did enjoy Iain M Banks version of an afterlife, species and technology dependant, found that a wonderful read.
 
I've met relatively few self-proclaimed atheists so far - the vast majority of people seem to be fairly indifferent towards it and don't underestimate the numbers that attend various gospel/brethren groups, etc. and aren't particularly vocal about it unless asked - never mind the likes of Plymouth/Exclusive brethren.
 
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Surfer, I don't think the UK is remotely as you think it is.
This country isn't majority atheist, nor even agnostic.

Take this backward hole I live within, most people here will proclaim to follow some form of Christianity, and indeed our local government and regional government is run on the basis of that.
We still do not have gay marriage, because the book says 'gayers are the naughty', some people will actively proclaim into your face that you're going to hell for not following their own little brand of subdivision, as all the others are basically wrong in their opinion, and unless one follows their brand of Christ you don't get in.

Now it doesn't bother me, as I don't think there is heaven and hell in the way they do, if this is a construct, then we'll transfer somewhere, if it isn't then oblivion, either way no big individual man with pearly robes and few seraphim to judge me.

For all the calling out of jagga by myself in part and others, his views from his religion are basically identical to the views of someone within the Free P Church in Northern Ireland, their book differs, but their firebrand nature doesn't. They are hell bent on the destruction of the world and all those in it, as such things bring about the wonderful afterlife they've been promised, and they are determined to tell you so.

This isn't a secular society, it was under Cromwell for a bit, and then it was back to Church and State having the same supreme ruler and 'defender of the faith'.
I don't think our society has anywhere near the numbers of atheists you think it does. Many who do not practice would still on their deathbed still proclaim to follow a God, or would say a prayer when a relative is dying.

I did enjoy Iain M Banks version of an afterlife, species and technology dependant, found that a wonderful read.

There is so much wrong with your post. I'll take the low hanging fruit though.

The legislation to allow same-sex marriage in England and Wales was passed by the Parliament of the United Kingdom in July 2013 and came into force on 13 March 2014, and the first same-sex marriages took place on 29 March 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom

And as for atheists in the UK...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/religion-uk-atheists-christians_uk_5743fd38e4b0ffced862a51d
 
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