Death/Dying

itchy · 16 Dec 2016 at 22:59

I will dip my toe in............ :eek:

The is no life or death only a passage of energy through time.

But the is no time so therefor we just energy passing through space.

Religion is a man made concept not matter what religion, so its not real. :rolleyes:

We think we exist but we don't in reality, we just a construct of particles traveling through space.

The is no life or death only energy and space.

Kelt · 16 Dec 2016 at 23:21

What there hell?!

Ayahuasca · 16 Dec 2016 at 23:23

How many carling super strength are you into itchy?

Narj · 16 Dec 2016 at 23:23

The less you worry about this stuff, the easier life is.

Iamzod · 16 Dec 2016 at 23:28

Ayahuasca said:
How many carling super strength are you into itchy?

Not as many as the guy who wrote the various holy books, itchy makes more sense for a start.

Angilion · 16 Dec 2016 at 23:33

jagga1968 said:
just giving my opinion about the Death/Dying the subject title.

wasnt really proselytizing.

and i knew what sort of reaction i would get.

your all free to believe or disbelieve whatever you like.

many people who believe in a religion understand the concept of heaven or hell it doesnt mean they are all crazy.

I have two things to say in reply:

1) Many people who are atheists understand the concept of heaven or hell. You're mistaking belief for understanding.

2) What you posted was very explicit propaganda created to compel obedience through fear. When you do that, reasonable people will not take your claim to not be proselytizing seriously. Because when you try to compel obedience through fear, you are proselytising.

It fails with me for two reasons. Firstly, I don't believe in your god. Secondly, even if I did believe in them it's obvious that they are unworthy of me. I might be forced to obey a psycho tyrant worse than any human who has ever lived, but I wouldn't look up to them at all, let alone worship them.

jagga1968 · 16 Dec 2016 at 23:49

Angilion said:
I have two things to say in reply:

1) Many people who are atheists understand the concept of heaven or hell. You're mistaking belief for understanding.

2) What you posted was very explicit propaganda created to compel obedience through fear. When you do that, reasonable people will not take your claim to not be proselytizing seriously. Because when you try to compel obedience through fear, you are proselytising.

It fails with me for two reasons. Firstly, I don't believe in your god. Secondly, even if I did believe in them it's obvious that they are unworthy of me. I might be forced to obey a psycho tyrant worse than any human who has ever lived, but I wouldn't look up to them at all, let alone worship them.

i can counter your argument mate but wont bother .....im out.

HoneyBadger · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:01

Religion was created by man, for man.

It is single handily responsible for more deaths in human history than any disease, tyrant etc.

It is the biggest lie, the biggest con, the ultimate attempt of control.

jagga1968 · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:08

HoneyBadger said:
Religion was created by man, for man.

It is single handily responsible for more deaths in human history than any disease, tyrant etc.

It is the biggest lie, the biggest con, the ultimate attempt of control.

what a load of cods wallop!

the biggest killers of mankind are the europeans who started ww1 and ww2 and i have no doubt they will start ww3 and wipe most of us off the face of the earth.

they also wiped out whole continents of indigenous people out of greed.

they hunted aztecs, aborigines, native indians for fun and still continue to kill with imputinity and have no remorse.

no other race on earth has come close to the amount of suffering that they have inflicted. more than any disease, tyrant etc in human history.

itchy · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:10

Angilion · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:20

jagga1968 said:
i can counter your argument mate but wont bother .....im out.

I could write "I can scribe runes in the air and do magic, but I won't bother".

It would be about as meaningful and as plausible as your reply. You have no counter other than "obey me or be tortured because some propaganda I like says so".

HoneyBadger · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:25

jagga1968 said:
what a load of cods wallop!

They say a picture paints a thousand words:

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jagga1968 · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:25

all you can do is post a pathetic picture because you know its true.

Angilion · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:26

jagga1968 said:
what a load of cods wallop!

the biggest killers of mankind are the europeans [..]

Always nice to have a bogeyman group to blame for everything so you can pretend your irrational prejudices against that group are justified. It saves having to think. Any group will do, of course, but why not go large and make it hundreds of millions of people? What...it's actually numerous different groups that frequently fought against each other? Well, that's just reality so it doesn't matter. Propaganda is much more important than reality.

HoneyBadger · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:28

jagga1968 said:
all you can do is post a pathetic picture because you know its true.

Have I hit a nerve? I think I've hit a nerve. :cool:

jagga1968 · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:28

its the truth and its got f all to do with propaganda or prejudice.

go learn some history.

HoneyBadger said:
Have I hit a nerve? I think I've hit a nerve.

im the one who hit your nerve son.

sometimes the truth is a hard pill to swallow.

Angilion said:
Always nice to have a bogeyman group to blame for everything so you can pretend your irrational prejudices against that group are justified. It saves having to think. Any group will do, of course, but why not go large and make it hundreds of millions of people? What...it's actually numerous different groups that frequently fought against each other? Well, that's just reality so it doesn't matter. Propaganda is much more important than reality.

everything i said is reality go check your history books sunshine.

go back to school fool you obviously didnt pay any attention.

HoneyBadger · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:34

jagga1968 said:
im the one who hit your nerve son.

Righto, you got me, dad. :cool:

Angilion · 17 Dec 2016 at 00:47

jagga1968 said:
everything i said is reality go check your history books sunshine.

go back to school fool you obviously didnt pay any attention.

I obviously went to a better school than you did because in addition to teaching history accurately it also taught rational thinking.

You've lumped everyone from a whole continent for all of recorded history together as a single entity

You've labelled your fictional entity a "race".

You've ignored the effects of technology.

You've ignored the effects of geography.

You've ignored the effects of politics.

You've ignored the effects of religion.

You've ignored the rest of the world.

I could go on, but I'll cut to the summary:

You're making a desperately circular argument to pretend your irrational prejudices are justified by themselves. You're not even vaguely original except in your choice of bogeyman. Jews would be a more traditional choice - there's a long history of people with irrational prejudices against Jews blaming Jews for it (and everything else) and making stuff up about Jews. You're just doing the same thing with a different bogeyman you've made up.

Soupy · 17 Dec 2016 at 02:05

itchy said:
Can some one explain to me faith?

Google just comes up with conviction and confidence, which both have a convoluted explanation.

Hebrews 11:1
Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Lemin · 17 Dec 2016 at 02:07

About 10 years ago i had a huge heart attack. I was gone then zapped back 3 times, doc said last one was long time. I oviously didnt twig i was gone first time, but the other 2 i remember it being black nothing. Get scares occaisionally with chest pains, but at least im sure theres no everlasting hell or heaven waiting for me. So im no longer scared of the afterlife. Also had triple heart bypass very painful op !