Death/Dying

Destination · 18 Dec 2016 at 14:40

Sliver said:
There is so much wrong with your post. I'll take the low hanging fruit though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_the_United_Kingdom
And as for atheists in the UK...

I am in Northern Ireland part of the UK, I was referring to my backward little hole, as a backward little hole for that reason, we have no such legislation!

Take whatever low lying fruit you like, you are wrong!
Backwards people will be backwards, as their book tells them to be.

On your second point, wait until the next census and then you might be correct. For now, there are not 45% declaring as atheist, in the same way as the polls got everything else wrong in the past general elections, brexit, etc. 2021 results when published might tell the tale. I'll be happy if it does, but we shall see. The huffington post 'analysis' doesn't equate to a census.

Glaucus · 18 Dec 2016 at 16:27

Hikari Kisugi said:
Surfer, I don't think the UK is remotely as you think it is.
This country isn't majority atheist, nor even agnostic.

its not as religious as you think. many recent surveys have all come out with we aren't religious in this country.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...worlds-least-religious-countries-survey-finds.

even the 2010 consensus had 25% with no religion and growing a t a massive rate, it is like that if the trend continues that the 2020 consensus will have christianity and no religion on equal footings.

Destination · 18 Dec 2016 at 16:32

I think this is a good thing, but I also think that when certain firebrand divisions garner so much power from their minority base, it is hard to refute them.

30 years ago, every Catholic in Northern Ireland went to mass every Sunday.
That religion doesn't hold the sway it once did for a whole host of reasons.

I still feel that many who no longer attend Church, and would not consider themselves as religious would 'pray to God' if something bad was happening.

RetiredGreyFox · 18 Dec 2016 at 16:37

Glaucus said:
its not as religious as you think. many recent surveys have all come out with we aren't religious in this country.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...worlds-least-religious-countries-survey-finds.

even the 2010 consensus had 25% with no religion and growing a t a massive rate, it is like that if the trend continues that the 2020 consensus will have christianity and no religion on equal footings.

Defining yourself as not religious is not the same as defining yourself as Atheist.
Absolutely nothing would convince me there is a God even if this 'God' reincarnated my dead relatives I would think it was some Alien messing with DNA.

'Not religious' people just couldn't be bothered, they may believe there is a higher power but couldn't care less.

Glaucus · 18 Dec 2016 at 16:42

SexyGreyFox said:
Defining yourself as not religious is not the same as defining yourself as Atheist.
Absolutely nothing would convince me there is a God even if this 'God' reincarnated my dead relatives I would think it was some Alien messing with DNA.

'Not religious' people just couldn't be bothered, they may believe there is a higher power but couldn't care less.

which is why i also included a survey, of which there has been several in recent years.
it does however mean they don't believe in the usual main stream religions. and no its not they couldn't be bothered, it was an actual answer. rather than just didn't reply to the question.

Destination · 18 Dec 2016 at 17:01

There exist major issues with surveys in Britain currently.
Not to derail the topic further, but until the census we'll wait and see. 2041 and 2051 will prove most interesting.

RetiredGreyFox · 18 Dec 2016 at 17:10

Glaucus said:
it does however mean they don't believe in the usual main stream religions. and no its not they couldn't be bothered, it was an actual answer. rather than just didn't reply to the question.

Not necessarily.
This subject came up at a family get together last Sunday with 14 adults and I was quite surprised at the response when my Bro In Law asked the question.
1 person had a total belief and called herself a Christian while only 2 people (me & my eldest) called ourselves atheists, we then had to describe what we meant which got a few pulling their faces ("so even if this person put Mum & Dad in this kitchen now you still wouldn't believe it was God?" ..... NO).
The rest, including my wife who I thought was atheist, declared that there might be something and they varied from believing in the basic Bible stories to a couple believing in Ancient Alien Gods.

FrenchTart · 18 Dec 2016 at 18:17

Here we go again.

Please try to be respectful to each other and keep the RTMs coming.

Sliver · 18 Dec 2016 at 18:20

I don't fear death but I do fear a painful agonising passing. To me death is a card that everyone gets dealt and we all have to face up to it.

[TW]Sponge · 18 Dec 2016 at 18:37

To me it's just a weird thing to think about. One minute I'll be here, the next, gone, never to see anything ever again.

Sliver · 18 Dec 2016 at 18:42

[TW]Sponge;30322522 said:
To me it's just a weird thing to think about. One minute I'll be here, the next, gone, never to see anything ever again.

As Mark Twain so eloquently exclaimed:
'I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.'

Also:
'Go to Heaven for the climate, Hell for the company.'

itchy · 18 Dec 2016 at 18:44

Sliver · 18 Dec 2016 at 18:53

itchy said:
Dam I missed the ruckus!

You didn't miss much it was just a forum member trolling. Soon to be banned we hope.

itchy said:
So if we extrapolate from the above, is there such a thing life or death?

Of course there is. You are born and at some point you die. Simple. :cool:

Gerard · 18 Dec 2016 at 19:05

Sliver said:
As Mark Twain so eloquently exclaimed:
'I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.'

To have been dead you have to have been alive first.

Sliver · 18 Dec 2016 at 19:06

Gerard said:
To have been dead you have to have been alive first.

How so? Were you alive before you were born? lol

Gerard · 18 Dec 2016 at 19:08

Sliver said:
How so? Were you alive before you were born? lol

You weren't alive, but you weren't dead either, you hadn't been conceived so you simply didn't exist.

Uther · 18 Dec 2016 at 19:10

I nearly died three years ago this month, an auto immune disease had wrecked my kidneys. I was almost entirely out of it, but remember feeling a bit bloody annoyed, as I was only 48 at the time, and I wasn't ready.
Saying that, I would hate to be one of those people that lived to be 100 or so, knowing full well that almost everyone you ever knew was long dead.

Sliver · 18 Dec 2016 at 19:12

Gerard said:
You weren't alive, but you weren't dead either, you hadn't been conceived so you simply didn't exist.

Well for the sake of argument and accepting your premise, if you don't exist then you are dead right? :rolleyes:

Gerard · 18 Dec 2016 at 19:14

Sliver said:
Well for the sake of argument and accepting your premise, if you don't exist then you are dead right?

Hardly, if you're going to go along that train of though then you essentially die twice and live once, since you're apparently dead before you're born according to you.

Death is the cessation of all biological functions that sustain an organism.

Sliver · 18 Dec 2016 at 19:17

Gerard said:
Hardly, if you're going to go along that train of though then you essentially die twice and live once, since you're apparently dead before you're born according to you.

You can only die once because you only have one life. Are you trolling me? Seriously, this isn't rocket science it's simple logic. :rolleyes: