Death of Moto2 rider.

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kippermitten said:
Oh man thats nasty. really made me feel a bit sick, wish Id not seen the clip of the crash :-(
Its hugely worrying the way they shifted them off though, even the F1 Ecclescake Roadshow isnt as brutal as that.
Isnt MotoGP under the FIA?
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I'd assume so, having watched the BSB at caldwell park last weekend it staggers me the lack of care that was given, almost all the races at the BSB were red flagged because of people going down at the same corner, but every time if the rider didn't just hop up and walk away the red flags came out and there was what i can only assume a medical team on the spot checking the riders out before they got moved anywhere.

If they can do it at a BSB meeting then surely they can do it in Moto Gp ?
 
Hell they do it in club racing lol I was Marshalling at a Bike club race at Castle Coombe at the weekend and one of the riders went down hard, red flagged straight away medical car was there straight away then Marshalls put him onto stretcher and put onto the ambulance when it made its way around.
 
As I said, it's a lot easier to stop a club or BSB race who's viewing figures are a zillion times less than MotoGP..

Stop a 125 / Moto2 race and you've automatically prosponed the latter races, causing mayhem on all the television networks around the 'WORLD'. If they stopped every race when a rider went down, then MotoGP would be dropped from a lot of TV networks. (Why do you think they now switch bikes when it starts to rain?)

That being said, given the graphic nature of the way Shoya's crash, they should have made an exception and immediately red flagged the race.. But when you've got 30 bikes coming back round within 2mins, you've got to act fast. This was a case of act now and think about later. The race director should have immediately called for a red flag, but didn't. By the time he was about too, it seems as if the marshalls had scooped up the downed bikers (RIP Shoya) and all the debris. So the race went on. Fortunately its very very rare a rider is seriously injured, and i can't think of a time, when red flagging a race would have done ANYTHING to help a rider.
 
I think thats totally crap if that is the reason, what a load of rubbish to be fair (not aimed at you dude :) ) Anyone who watches racing knows things like this can happen and if your going to get annoyed because a race is delayed by 15 min's then watching racing is not for you, and I think the same goes for the broadcasters.
Personally I don't think BBC should get any of the MotoGP as their coverage of it is crap, I highly doubt someone like eurosport would cut off showing if the race went on for 10 min's, Well I know they dont because I have watched plenty of race delays this year alone for the WSBK and eurosport carry on, and WSBK is massive and I bet its only in this country the viewings are less because its not on Terrestrial TV.
We all know racing is dangerous and you don't need to tell the riders that :p but if there are riders unconscious on the track then its just common sense to make them safe.
 
Fireskull said:
I think thats totally crap if that is the reason, what a load of rubbish to be fair (not aimed at you dude :) ) Anyone who watches racing knows things like this can happen and if your going to get annoyed because a race is delayed by 15 min's then watching racing is not for you, and I think the same goes for the broadcasters.
Personally I don't think BBC should get any of the MotoGP as their coverage of it is crap, I highly doubt someone like eurosport would cut off showing if the race went on for 10 min's, Well I know they dont because I have watched plenty of race delays this year alone for the WSBK and eurosport carry on, and WSBK is massive and I bet its only in this country the viewings are less because its not on Terrestrial TV.
We all know racing is dangerous and you don't need to tell the riders that :p but if there are riders unconscious on the track then its just common sense to make them safe.
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Don't really agree with anything you just said, apart from the bit when you said they should red flag when a rider is unconcious AND the bit about the BBC coverage of MotoGP being crap.. Eurosport's Toby Moody and Julian Ryders coverage was some of the best commentary I've ever come across in any sport. When I came back to England not so long ago and tuned into to MotoGP I was like WTF? How could Dorna do this to the fans?
 
Fair enough, just my opinion of course :p

Yea I totally agree, I got sky just for the bike racing! just wish Eurosport could get the live rights now, I know its delayed until the end of the race but it would be nice to be able to watch it live on Eurosport.
 
Fireskull: I watch MotoGP on the Beeb, would be gutted if they took it off. Can't really justify Sky/Virgin for racing alone. I just wish they would bring Suzi Perry back, this new chick is an idiot.

thedoc46: It is unacceptable the race wasn't red flagged. I don't think your argument about world viewing really holds up. GP races have been stopped in the past after far less serious crashes.
 
Not sure I like the idea of the Marshall's facing charges, although it depends on whether they called for the race to be stopped or not...

thedoc46, I can't agree with you that the viewers/tv stations should come before rider safety.

Yes club racing is 'easier' to stop, there are rarely if ever live tv shows depending on it, but it should just be common sense -- if the rider doesn't get up within a short time period then red flag the race, any other response to a downed rider, for whatever reason, is just plain wrong.
 
it was terrible the way they just dragged the limp bodies around, the people who run it should have their operating license revoked.

If I was the family I would be thinking of legal action.

I don't know if it's still the way, but at the time of Senna's death there was a rumour that italian law says that if a death occurs at a sporting event the event has to be stopped, so they get them declared dead at the hospital.
 
The official statement earlier in the week suggests that the Marshals followed an existing protocol of clearing the track asap.. The Marshals it would seem are to be made skapegoat's for those who are really culpable.
 
The marshalls are under direction of race control, if they are told over radio to clear the track and that the race wont be stopped they have no choice. I hope the race controller/clark of the course is having trouble sleeping at night. :mad:
 
SKILL said:
thedoc46, I can't agree with you that the viewers/tv stations should come before rider safety.

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When did I ever say that? If a rider is clearly unconcious I believe they should red flag.. That being said, A lot of times the rider is just severly dazed after being tumbled around at 100mph +.. You can't just stop at every fall until the rider receives medical attention, since that happens at every race, especially when 99.9% of the time he's going to be fine. Worst case (outside of the last two weeks) is typically a few broken bones here and there.. These are GP riders.. Broken bones are just part and parcel of motorcycle racing.

Unfortunately in this instance it was as bad as it looked. Hopefully the safety brigade do not get into a tizzy too much over this and start ruining the sport.. What's next SKILL ? Ensuring the riders keep a two sec gap between each other so this doesn't happen again. :rolleyes:
 
thedoc46 said:
You can't just stop at every fall until the rider receives medical attention, since that happens at every race, especially when 99.9% of the time he's going to be fine. Worst case (outside of the last two weeks) is typically a few broken bones here and there.. These are GP riders.. Broken bones are just part and parcel of motorcycle racing.
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It's a bit different and easily noticed if the rider is moving or not. We don't have a problem when I'm racing, never has the race been stopped when it hasn't been serious and required. Each time the race is stopped you KNOW the injured rider is in a bad way.

Yes GP have more comitments to schedule but not at the expense of rider safety, even at this level. Not moving unconcious riders is a real basic, they are only unconcious because of a blow to the head. This garuntees that moving them in any way would put their life at risk. It's an easy check to make and would not hold up the race unless required.
 
If anything he's lucky that he remembers nothing of the crash. It must have taken some will power to not watch the clip of it though. I can imagine how much it must mess with your head knowing what happened, but seeing it may push you over the edge.
 
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