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Debating A8/A10 APU…
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maybe you want to go back to schoolwhere is Marines RAM costs?
What?
OP says he has spare DDR3 RAM.
Maybe you should go back to school.
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Agreed. People in the SFF PC section have run 100W TDP Llano A8 off picoPSUs. I have a Core i3 myself,but the A6 I also have is just better as an all in one CPU. Something like the AMD A8 or one of the newer A10 CPUs could be run in a mini-ITX system with one cooling fan. The 65W TDP A10-5700 looks very interesting:
http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Bulldozer/AMD-A10-Series A10-5700.html
Instead of the 3.8GHZ to 4.2GHZ clockspeeds. and a 800MHZ clockspeed for the IGP found in the A10-5800K,the A10-5700 has 3.4GHZ to 3.8GHZ clockspeeds and a 760MHZ clockspeed for the IGP. I suspect,it will be not that much slower in games TBH.
Look to be a great CPU for an HTPC system.
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Having said that, I'd get an A10 if they're cheap enough.
But knowing AMD, with the fact that even Llano isn't always the best situation for something it should be, they'll probably price themselves too high again.
But knowing AMD, with the fact that even Llano isn't always the best situation for something it should be, they'll probably price themselves too high again.
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The pricing in the US has already been leaked. The A10 will be around IB Core i3 price,which is fine IMHO:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...ces-out-targets-intels-budget-processors.html
The company leaking the prices has been relatively accurate in the past with their US pricing IIRC.
http://www.nordichardware.com/news/...ces-out-targets-intels-budget-processors.html
The company leaking the prices has been relatively accurate in the past with their US pricing IIRC.
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Yea...but the question is...how good is the CPU's single-thread performance? I mean they can't be better than Phenom II or matches Celeron/Pentium's Sandy core I think...?
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Its seems to be better than Llano.
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Well it has to be...don't need another Bulldozer incident
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The 65W TDP A6-5400K looks interesting if cheap enough. It is only a single module CPU,but the IGP is only just behind that of an A8-3850 in performance. It can also be overclocked too. At around £50 or under with a cheap cooler,it might be the basis of a very cheap WoW or D3 box.
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Seems to be around £54 if VAT is added to the leaked prices,which is close enough.
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Seems to be around £54 if VAT is added to the leaked prices,which is close enough.
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right, the G840 benches roughly 60% of the A3870k for CPU tasks (single & multi combined) plus you can upgrade the A3870k with a 6670 for hybrid xfire at a later date for a graphics boost. A3870k uses less juice then a g840 & 6670. If the A10 comes out like suggested it looks like more of a winner. My A3870k has blown me away with what it can do for it's cost and power consumption, mainly because my expectations were so low due to most people saying it was rubbish. BTW im not an AMD 'fanboi' I have intel and nvidia kit in my main rig and i will more than likely be getting haswell around release. Seems a lot of people are talking smack about products they dont even have and haven't even used, but have lots of graphs from various places showing conflicting results (due to no consensus on what rivals it). I can say first hand, the A3870k is a decent chip, simple as that.
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I'm afraid it doesn't work that way...gaming performance bench suggest otherwise. Any game that doesn't use 4 cores or higher the 3870K falls behind the even the G630...and considering OP's main game is WOW (which is pretty much a single-thread game), it would be crazy to recommend it.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-10.html
yeah good link! ohh look the 3870k is ~12.5% slower. Tested with a 7970! that test isn't how the chips will be used so you can't really throw that in there as proof. You really need to take tests and reviews in context. Like I have said, I have a 3870K and I have an intel i7 920 with GTX670 sitting side by side, I personally know how good this chip is, it's not 'crazy' to recommend a 3870K. I use it for a similar use to the OP, I know how it performs first hand in a setup similar to one the OP is proposing. JUST SAYING!
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You are missing the point. It is not about rather or not high-end GPU is being used, but purely of what frame rate the CPU can push when it is not GPU bounded (i.e. lowering graphic settings etc).
WOW is hardly graphic demanding...even with the "entry level" 6850, the G840 would be faster than the 3870K because it has lesser bottleneck on the GPU and get more GPU usage out of it. WOW is one of the most CPU demanding game (not talking about sololing) that's extremely dependent on the speed of the CPU on demanding scenes. MMOs has always been lower requirement on GPU said and more dependent on CPU side. My old Q6600 at 3.6GHz was hugely bottlenecking my 5850, and now on another PC my E5200 overclocked to 3.75GHz is bottlenecking the even the now relatively dated 9800GTX+, even on the lowest graphic settings. The point is having a CPU do say 30-50fps comparing to a CPU that can only do 20-40fps is that at demanding scenes is that the faster CPU would can deliver the frame rate by lowering the graphic details, whereas the latter not matter what you do to graphic settings, it wouldn't make the frame rate go above 20-40fps. There are many peope who would prefer increase their frame rate by dropping a bit of graphic details, where as with the slower CPU...sure there are room for using ultra/max settings due to the higher CPU bottleneck and lower GPU usage, but there's nothing they can do to make their frame rate better than what the CPU can deliver. I myself would take high settings on 30-50fps over max settings on 20-40fps anyday, as gameplay performace>eyecandy.
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You do realise even in games that use all 4 cores, it is only "equal" to the Pentiums, except for Just Cause 2 when overclocked? And that's not even taking into the account for the same overall budget comparing to the Llano, people can get a 6670 comparing to the 6550D?
Also the despite the H61 budget motherboard, it can upgrading to i5 in the future, whereas in contrast Llano if someone was to deciding to upgrade to high-end graphic card in the future (i.e. GTX670/7970), there's no CPU upgrade option that will not bottleneck (in contrast to i5). While Llano is not bad for a budget PC...it is what it is...a budget PC, that has very limited future upgrade potential, whereas the 1155 platform already have a proven path leading up to a Sandy/Ivy i5/i7)
And read the OP post...I don't think the OP is gonna play any modern demanding games...so if WOW is OP's main game (or basically all he plays)...I don't see how it is stupid to recommend something that offer the best performance for the budget that he plays, comparing to recommending a CPU/GPU that's slower for WOW. If people are not giving advise by tailoring to the requirement and get the best performance for the budget on what someone specific need it for, then I don't see how that is that good advice. If the OP said he need to do some encoding or whatever as well, then yea the 3870K would be a better choice...but purely for gaming wise, a G540/G840 plus a 6670 would be better than a 3870K with 6550D.
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But its a secondary machine. The future of computing is multi threaded. At single threaded things its only around 10% slower in worst cases faster in majority. Costs less to buy (arguably) cost less to run. Is graphically easier to upgrade. Like I said its all about context. I'm going to say we are going to have to agree to disagree.
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Faster in majority? 1 game out of all and that's with only when overclocked? Cost less to run- like saving £3 a year? And overclocking's higher power consumption for the sake of pushing closer to the Pentiums' performance would pretty much made the cost less to run arguement redundant. And more physical cores do not automatically mean better gaming performance even when the games are using all 4 cores- i3 2100 beating Core2Quad and Phenom II X4 at 3.6GHz on gaming performance is a good example of this.
Even if it is not the main PC, I fail to comprehend why would someone would want to get a slower PC (which is gonna be used for gaming despite bring a HTPC) for same money, that CLEARLY has a worse upgrade path? In a couple years time, I can just drop a 2nd hand i5/i7 CPU onto the motherboard and it would be good to fight for another few years; Llano on there other hand...what CPU upgrade options are there that's anywhere comparable to the i5/i7? The 1155 simply has FAR better flexibility when it comes to future CPU and graphic upgrade.
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*facepalm* you're once again, taking benchmarks OUT OF CONTEXT. the benchmarks were ran with a 7970, a card they state
making the onboard gpu on the llano redundant, omits it's strongest point. yes we can see how the CPU portion compares with intel and AMDs other chips by running them with a 7970 but don't go using them stats to prove a point about the whole chip. It's misleading and false.