decent monitor to replace my CRT

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Bassically i wondering what monitor to get to replace my old CRT monitor, i been having problems fidning something that is as good/better than my CRT.

the CRT i have is a:

hansol 900p monitor apox 17" and max res it can run is 1600x1200.

reson why i find a replacement is most i find have poor image compared to it and picture quality in games also.


what monitor would be a good replacement, looking between 22"-24" and between 250-350 pounds to spend.

like i said i looking for a good replacement, to match.beat my crt as she stupidly big--.-- 0.5+mtr ass..

heres my system spec:

e8400watercooled
4870
4gb ram
vista 64 premium
 
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shadowcreaper said:
i been looking at these monitors and wondering what the main differances are and quality like.

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-106-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-086-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

also wondering why these monitor is more exspencive than other two?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-024-DE&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-028-NE

they have lower racio and same colour ect 16.7

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Different panel types.

The cheaper monitors are almost always TN panels. TN panels have good response times, but poor image quality, poor viewing angles, and some actually suffer from inverse ghosting due to overdrive.

The two more expensive monitors you linked to up there both have VA panels. VA panels have decent response times, good blacks, good image quality and good viewing angles.

IPS panels are arguably the best for image quality, and are probably the best for colour critical work, although they don't have quite as good dark colours as VA panels. Not sure on response times for these.

If you are coming from a good CRT, I would recommend looking for a VA or IPS panel.

I have the NEC 24WMGX3. It's an absolutely fantastic monitor, and beats the pants off any CRT I've seen, although I've never seen a high quality CRT such as an FW900, so comparing a good quality LCD to a poor quality CRT isn't really fair. The response times and input lag on it are very good, and can be reduced further using the through mode. Image quality and viewing angles are great, and it comes with a remote which is handy for the OSD.

The Dell 2408WFP apparently is better for colour reproduction, although the original A00 revision suffered from very poor response times (50ms+). This has been fixed with the later revisions, and I reckon if you bought now, you'd be almost guaranteed to get an A01 revision or later.

Don't ever buy on contrast ratio. All these 3000, 5000, 10,000+ are all dynamic contrasts, which means adjusting the backlight. In a regular CCFL lit monitor, this means dimming or brightening the entire screen, which means if you had black AND white on at the same time, you would get nowhere near the same whites and blacks as if you had the entire screen just one colour. Now if you bought an LED lit monitor (such as the Dell G2410), the backlighting can be adjusted in different places, so dynamic contrast CAN work there (which is why it has a "1,000,000:1" ratio), but you should still be looking at panel types, image quality, and reviews, before contrast ratio.
 
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A high quality CRT will beat a high quality LCD.

Can't you just get a second-hand quality CRT if you want the quality to be better/same off eBay for like £50 and save yourself money?

I have a mitsubishi diamond plus 22" CRT. Amazing monitor.

:)
 
VortexA1 said:
A high quality CRT will beat a high quality LCD.

Can't you just get a second-hand quality CRT if you want the quality to be better/same off eBay for like £50 and save yourself money?

I have a mitsubishi diamond plus 22" CRT. Amazing monitor.

:)
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does your nec better the mitsubishi diamond plus if not is there much in it and what makes it better or worse

also why did you not buy the Dell 2408WFP if it had better colour reproduction than the NEC ?
 
Don't know about NEC but I didn't buy the Dell you mention 'cos I bought this way before the Dell ever came to Market. :)

I've had my CRT a good few years now... it still has very nice picture quality.
:p
 
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Meridiusuk said:
which is better the NEC or CRT
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If you want ultimate image quality then a quality CRT is still better than an LCD.

However LCDs do have their advantages and they do produce nice images and have come on leaps-and-bounds.
 
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Different panel types.

The cheaper monitors are almost always TN panels. TN panels have good response times, but poor image quality, poor viewing angles, and some actually suffer from inverse ghosting due to overdrive.

The two more expensive monitors you linked to up there both have VA panels. VA panels have decent response times, good blacks, good image quality and good viewing angles.

IPS panels are arguably the best for image quality, and are probably the best for colour critical work, although they don't have quite as good dark colours as VA panels. Not sure on response times for these.

If you are coming from a good CRT, I would recommend looking for a VA or IPS panel.

I have the NEC 24WMGX3. It's an absolutely fantastic monitor, and beats the pants off any CRT I've seen, although I've never seen a high quality CRT such as an FW900, so comparing a good quality LCD to a poor quality CRT isn't really fair. The response times and input lag on it are very good, and can be reduced further using the through mode. Image quality and viewing angles are great, and it comes with a remote which is handy for the OSD.

The Dell 2408WFP apparently is better for colour reproduction, although the original A00 revision suffered from very poor response times (50ms+). This has been fixed with the later revisions, and I reckon if you bought now, you'd be almost guaranteed to get an A01 revision or later.

Don't ever buy on contrast ratio. All these 3000, 5000, 10,000+ are all dynamic contrasts, which means adjusting the backlight. In a regular CCFL lit monitor, this means dimming or brightening the entire screen, which means if you had black AND white on at the same time, you would get nowhere near the same whites and blacks as if you had the entire screen just one colour. Now if you bought an LED lit monitor (such as the Dell G2410), the backlighting can be adjusted in different places, so dynamic contrast CAN work there (which is why it has a "1,000,000:1" ratio), but you should still be looking at panel types, image quality, and reviews, before contrast ratio.
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thanks for clearing that up i was wondering about that million :1 monitor and wondered how on earth they got such results.

if i was to choose between these two, which ones would be better?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-106-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-086-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

they both good price but after what you said about contrasting, i wonder now which one would be better, are they TN or VA or IPS?

lastly im sure overclockers hasnt listed all the monitors ofc, but i wonder if i was to increase budget to around 350-450 would it really be worth investing in something like the NEC over those two samsung models in the long term, as i know monitors tend to jump tech wise very quickly and such wouldnt want to waste money.

ie HD DVD vs blue ray= blue ray won HD dvd waste of money if you got a HD dvd player.

thanks again for info about TN/VA/IPS that clears a lot up.
 
shadowcreaper said:
thanks for clearing that up i was wondering about that million :1 monitor and wondered how on earth they got such results.

if i was to choose between these two, which ones would be better?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-106-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MO-086-SA&groupid=17&catid=510&subcat=

they both good price but after what you said about contrasting, i wonder now which one would be better, are they TN or VA or IPS?

lastly im sure overclockers hasnt listed all the monitors ofc, but i wonder if i was to increase budget to around 350-450 would it really be worth investing in something like the NEC over those two samsung models in the long term, as i know monitors tend to jump tech wise very quickly and such wouldnt want to waste money.

ie HD DVD vs blue ray= blue ray won HD dvd waste of money if you got a HD dvd player.

thanks again for info about TN/VA/IPS that clears a lot up.
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I don't know which ones out of those to pick. I suppose it mostly comes down to your personal preference. But both of those monitors you linked to are TN.

I think if you were to raise your budget up to the £400 mark, the NEC would be a nice investment. There isn't much coming up tech-wise right now. Probably the next thing is LED backlighting, which is nice, but isn't something I'd wait for. After that, the next tech should be something like OLED, but I reckon that's still quite a while off, given the price and lifetime issues.

Monitor tech seems to be pretty slow right now. All the latest stuff is going into larger screens, smaller screens, thinner screens and e-paper, none of which are any use for us. Perhaps the latest useful tech is E-IPS, which is an IPS screen at much cheaper prices. Currently the only E-IPS screen is the Dell 2209WA. But, until manufacturers decide to ditch TN and switch to better panel types and bring prices down, not much will change for a while.

Got to admit, I wasn't sure if I could justify £400 on a monitor, but then, since that is the part that you look at 99% of the time, it made sense to spend a little extra in that department. Ideally, if you are coming from a good CRT, you don't want it to feel like a downgrade.

Like I said, contrast and brightness aren't usually an issue. Just because it can produce a blinding white light doesn't mean that has any practical use, unless you plan on strapping the monitor to a pole and using it as a flood light.
 
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i been looking at the dell and NEC as like many have said going for a TN wouldnt be worth it over my current CRT.

but i must admit dell pricing is rather screwed up.

in reveiws it was for around 350ish yet now selling for over 400 quid, and they saying "now with VAT saving" lol i feel that dell is just over priced atm tbh.

nec looks like a good bet, but still wondering if there are other monitors i have missed and need to look at.
 
In your price range the only other one worth considering is the IPS HP but this has had issues with green/pink tints (see thread on here).

I was split over the 3 screens myself (HP, NEC and HP) but having had a nec 20wgx2 and the wonderful warranty that nec offer (they ship a replacement monitor out and pick your up the next day) and the fact there were 3 in b - grade saving £100, i finally got the nex 24" this week.

I couldn't be happier with it. It's not quite as good as the IPS 20wgx2 was but 99% there and 4" bigger!

Check out www.tftcentral.co.uk reviews of the screens and the differences between pva, TN and IPS panels. It's a great website and the best for monitor reviews IMO.
 
It's taken me ages to move from CRT, I got used to the iiyama Visionmaster Pro series. Got the 24WMGX3 and I'm glad I made the leap to be honest :) If you can stretch your budget, get one of these babies :D
 
600 quid just pushing it to much for me personally:)
it seems the NEC get good reveiws compared to the dell which keeps having a niggle or a glitch issue/ the price jumps like a jack in a box which i dont like.


looking at the NEC i wondering those who have got it what exactly are your reveiws for it and have you got any pictures of it?

i tried the oc forum reveiw section but could only find very old reveiws of old monitors not many newer ones reveiwed.

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was reading that site, good withs lots of info, another monitor which he said was good was the HP LP2475W, but then i wonder if it worth the extra money, and weather the NEC be a better gaming machine monitor .
 
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Looked up that 24" LED Dell mentioned earlier on, getting great reviews.
 
shadowcreaper said:
600 quid just pushing it to much for me personally:)
it seems the NEC get good reveiws compared to the dell which keeps having a niggle or a glitch issue/ the price jumps like a jack in a box which i dont like.


looking at the NEC i wondering those who have got it what exactly are your reveiws for it and have you got any pictures of it?

i tried the oc forum reveiw section but could only find very old reveiws of old monitors not many newer ones reveiwed.

**EDIT**

was reading that site, good withs lots of info, another monitor which he said was good was the HP LP2475W, but then i wonder if it worth the extra money, and weather the NEC be a better gaming machine monitor .
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Personally fro £410 you can't beat the NEC. I would say that though since that is what I went for ;)

I see all the b-grade ones are sold now.
 
Order date and time: 11 May, 09, 1:54 pm.
Your order consisted of the following items:
Item Qty Price
NEC MultiSync 24WMGX3 Professional Gaming 24" Widescreen LCD Monitor 1 £356.51
Sub Total: £356.51
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Total Vat: £53.48
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yup :D

cheaper than the DELL.... AND better.

the RRP is ~ £600 though.....
 
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