Decided on Accord Euro R

The previous gen Accord Type-R was the peak of a fast accord as it was right on the limit weight wise that makes a N/A 4 cylinder work. I have seen one of these in the flesh in blue (Almost mistook it for a modified accord at first). Big brakes, LSD, K20A etc etc but the engine is just too dam small for a car of it's weight. The car does look absolutely fantastic in Euro-R guise but for me at least the previous gen Type-R was the better car.

I do understand where the OP is coming from. There is something nice owning a car you generally do not see on the road.
 
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lemonade said:
There is more to a car then mere bhp. Are you seriously saying driving a 318 to an M3 is the same? The m3 is a different beast!

Likewise the Euro R is a different beast to the other Accord whether its the 2.0 or the 2.4. The Euro R has an engine that is a different in character and that extra 30-75bhp makes a big difference, stiffened chassis, different suspension setup, shorter gears, an LSD, tuned EPS, its a different beast and a different experience, to say its the same thing is just silly.
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taking the previous model 3 series, a 335i M Sport was 99 % of the car that the M3 coupe was.

Yes the m3 had more power, and better suspension, better handling, but there are many with tuned 335is who were adament they had made a better car with their tuned 335is than the m3. That wouldn't be the case if they were so different.

They weren't for example, arguing they had tuned their 335is into a Lamborghini. Which would be a completely different beast ...
 
lemonade said:
Are you seriously saying driving a 318 to an M3 is the same?
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No, but then I'm not saying the Type-S and the Euro R are 'the same' either, so what is your point?

The m3 is a different beast!
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Well no, a Fiat 500 is a 'different beast'.

Likewise the Euro R is a different beast to the other Accord whether its the 2.0 or the 2.4. The Euro R has an engine that is a different in character and that extra 30-75bhp makes a big difference, stiffened chassis, different suspension setup, shorter gears, an LSD, tuned EPS, its a different beast and a different experience, to say its the same thing is just silly.
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They are both the same model of Honda Accord, just different versions. One is better than the other. But they are not 'completely different'. They are fundamentally the same in most ways. Same body. Same door handles. Same interior. Same electrics. It's a Honda Accord. Ok sure it's got better brakes, suspension etc but then that doesnt make it a completley different car.

30-75bhp more, is the engine magic or something?

Day to day commuting to work or whatever sitting in a Honda Accord is sitting in a Honda Accord whether it has an LSD or not.

£7.5k for a 2003 Accord is absolutely bonkers money, which is presumably why they've been for sale for months and months.
 
I think I agree with Fox on this one and I've payed JDM y0 prices for a car before.

Get the Type S if you really must have an Accord.
 
What are the mechanical differences/changes between the Type S and Type R?

If its just firmer suspension and more engine (its still only a 4cyl though) its definitely not worth it.
 
I can see arguments for and against on this.

when I had my EP3, there was a large discussion in the VTEC thread about whether or not a DC5 was worth double the money of an EP3

whilst there are plenty of arguments as to why the DC5 is a better car, there is a demand for them. not everyone wants an EP3.

a DC5 benefits from a better engine, gearbox, suspension and brake system in stock form which, along with its sleek lines, makes it a more desirable prospect for some.

also, the rarity of a DC5 compared to the relatively common EP3 is a contributing factor to its popularity.

The Euro R in my opinion is not that different. Whilst a standard 7th gen accord is a fairly run of the mill family saloon, there is no denying that it looks decent for its age and the readily available Type S has depreciated to a point where it is insane value for money.

Valkia who works at OcUK has a UKDM Type S and it is a fantastic car. nice seats, pleasant interior, decent level of specification. I would certainly take one of these over an equivalent mondeo. But the UK market never had a Type R 7th gen accord and this is where the pricing comes in.

The old Accord Type R CL1 was pretty much identical to its Japanese counterpart so the CL7 Euro R is seen as its spiritual successor. if you want the fastest Accord there ever has been, this is the option.

people don't get criticised on here for purchasing 13 year old DC5s for 7k+
I don't see this as much different.

Is a DC5 worth double what an EP3 is? probably not. but people still want them.
Is an FD2 Civic worth twice the cost of a similar year FN2? probably not. but people still want them.

The Euro R is expensive for what it is, it forgoes some of the same level of spec as a UK Type S and is compromised for UK roads. I would personally look at getting a cheap Type S and sticking a K20 in it.

Ultimately, if the OP has made his mind up then go for that. its his money and it fits the bill for him.
 
Matt82 said:
What are the mechanical differences/changes between the Type S and Type R?

If its just firmer suspension and more engine (its still only a 4cyl though) its definitely not worth it.
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the Euro R is powered by a K20A which is 220BHP in stock form compared to the ~150bhp of the highest powered 2.0l UK accord.

The gearbox is an RBC3 which is essentially the same as an FD2 but with a different final drive ratio. So it has the LSD found in higher end K20 equipped Type R models.

The Euro R also has a Recaro interior

certainly not worth it on paper but for someone wanting 4 doors and a K20A powertrain, its this or the significantly more expensive FD2
 
The prices are a bit mental, It's been almost 3 years since i owned my DC5 and the prices are pretty much still the same now as they were when i bought mine over 4 years ago! You can't get anything that's not a complete dog for less than £7k for a 2001 model, and really you need at least £8.5k.

However i'm still saying go for it, some say i was mental when i got my DC5 as it was probably going for about 3-4k more than the equivalent EP3. A lot would argue the EP3 is 99% the same car as the DC5 but for me it was massively worth it as it just felt so special owning and driving it. It's just 1% that separates us from the monkeys etc etc...

The Wavetrac diff was £750 and well worth it imo.
 
The problem with the 2.4 Type-S is they're hard to tune, i know someone with one.

He's got a K20 head and cams but you can't map it properly as you can't flash the factory ECU or some such. So to do it properly you need to go for standalone management which is a bit of a pain and expensive. In other Honda's such as the DC5 it's a tried and tested route to putting a Frankenstein in (a K24 with a K20 head) as there are off the shelf ECU's that can run it and you can get 300BHP out of them N/A. You just don't seem to be able to do that with the UK cars :(
 
8 year old Accord Type S' are selling for ~£5k, I can understand why the Euro R is worth £2.5k more for the engine, LSD, seats etc. even if it is 3 years older too.
 
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Accccoooooordddddddddd!!!!!!!!!

Euro R's are very nice indeed, just have to weigh up what you want. Since you're losing a few luxury items, they don't come with Nav (for example like mine) but, Euro R's have always been on my list to at least drive.
 
[TW]Fox;25749620 said:
We are all talking about the 2.4.
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which is less close to the Euro R in terms of specification than the 2.0.

regardless, the 2.4 is only a higher displacement and in real terms whilst derived from the same K20 platform is designed for completely different usage.
 
rjkoneill said:
the Euro R is powered by a K20A which is 220BHP in stock form compared to the ~150bhp of the highest powered 2.0l UK accord.

The gearbox is an RBC3 which is essentially the same as an FD2 but with a different final drive ratio. So it has the LSD found in higher end K20 equipped Type R models.

The Euro R also has a Recaro interior

certainly not worth it on paper but for someone wanting 4 doors and a K20A powertrain, its this or the significantly more expensive FD2
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OK, I have a perfect bargain alternative.

Jaguar S-Type 3.0 V6, better engine with 240BHP. :p
A superb long travel porridge 5 speed manual, slush-0-matics also available.

LSD, no need for one of those, this is a mans RWD car.
Most come equipped with the finest british cows leather interior.

Suspension wise, very comfortable, or just slam it.

Then buy some of RJK's plastidip and spray it bright green, you now have exclusivity. ;)


In all seriousness I can understand why its more money over a UK accord:-
LSD/Gearbox - 1k
Engine - 2k
Recaro interior - £500
Suspension - 1k
Rarity - Priceless.

So it makes sense on that basis.

I mean come on TVR Sagaris a few years ago I could have got one for sub 20k, now a decent example is nearly three times more, because of rarity. Though this is a poor comparison because an Accord could never ever be a TVR Sagaris, that is a supercar. Another example a CSL, now worth a fortune. Its all about rarity, the only downside the Accord Euro R has is the fact they seem to be expensive and NOT SELLING, so the demand for them is clearly not there.

Whereas TVR Sagaris and CSL, well good luck in getting one, when they come up for sale they are normally sold within days if not hours.
 
rjkoneill said:
the Euro R is powered by a K20A which is 220BHP in stock form compared to the ~150bhp of the highest powered 2.0l UK accord.

The gearbox is an RBC3 which is essentially the same as an FD2 but with a different final drive ratio. So it has the LSD found in higher end K20 equipped Type R models.

The Euro R also has a Recaro interior

certainly not worth it on paper but for someone wanting 4 doors and a K20A powertrain, its this or the significantly more expensive FD2
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Is the suspension the same apart from springs and dampers or has it got different arms/mounts/bushes?
 
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