Decided on Accord Euro R

Ken · 29 Jan 2014 at 21:31

rodenal said:
Tbh I'm not sure how you can drop £7.5k on one of these without even driving it? I know they're rare....but all the more reason to make sure it's really what you want?

I really can't see the engine working well in the Accord, it's just not that type of car imo - the other problem with home market only Hondas is they tend to have incredibly stiff ride. Ever been in an FD2? It's absolutely horrific...and I quite like stiff suspension

Surely a DC5 is just as Jap cool, but actually a better car?

The plan is probably 2 trips...from Lancashire!

First trip to test drive and Torque GT to agree on a part exchange price for Lexus. Second trip to make the exchange after confirming insurance, private plate transfer and of course if I should proceed.

Nah not driven an FD2 but I will see if I can live with the Euro R stiffness when I test drive it. I am very fussy with cars. I do love many cars and most are out of budget and within my current budget I narrowed it down to the above 3 after going through the A-Z of Pistonhead Classifieds and unfortunately the DC5 isn't one of them.

rodenal · 29 Jan 2014 at 21:39

I just look at that, then look at a £3k 2.4 of the same age, with a history you can actually properly check, that looks much the same and think....why?

Realistically the actual power difference is minimal, I'd be surprised if you could honestly tell much difference overall, though granted delivery is totally different (edit...it's not really is it, just a bit more extreme top end...not I imagine a good thing in the Accord) and noise will be much better I just really can't see the appeal for that kind of cash.

Ken · 29 Jan 2014 at 21:44

[TW]Fox;25747808 said:
They obviously dont 'hold value', it seems nobody buys them. That car has been for sale for more than half a year and it's still not sold. Seems like its true value is somewhat less than the owner thinks it is.

As a £3-4k car these look very interesting but as a £7-8k car I'm sorry but it just looks completely crap. It's a 10 year old Accord and despite the engine being brilliant in a smaller, lighter, focused Coupe I'm afraid in a large saloon car it isn't enough to redeem it.

Terrible idea

Surely even your current IS250 is just.. better.

Well the warranty on the gearbox overhaul is due to end in April and it's either I sell the car or take a gamble with another auto gearbox specialist if it goes again which I don't want to do. I feel it's definitely time to sell the IS.

If I don't go for the Euro R then it will probably be the Type S at about £3k ish but it just wouldn't be the same

rodenal said:
Oh god no!

lol, what's wrong? The nearest one is a tad low. Would raise it back up about 20mm but other than that it's sexy as.

lemonade · 29 Jan 2014 at 21:45

These are lovely cars, worth the money if you find a good'un, but still a bit expensive to buy 5-6k would be more sensible, parts can be sourced no problem. The suspensions are a bit soft on stock, and for some reason they put EPS on these, although its decent, but not as good as hydraulics.

[TW]Fox · 29 Jan 2014 at 21:50

Ken said:
Well the warranty on the gearbox overhaul is due to end in April and it's either I sell the car or take a gamble with another auto gearbox specialist if it goes again which I don't want to do. I feel it's definitely time to sell the IS.

Why would it die again?

If I don't go for the Euro R then it will probably be the Type S at about £3k ish but it just wouldn't be the same

It would also be many thousands of pounds less for a car thats 99% the same.

rodenal · 29 Jan 2014 at 21:51

Ken said:
lol, what's wrong? The nearest one is a tad low. Would raise it back up about 20mm but other than that it's sexy as.

It's just covered in stick on tat.

Semi normal ride height, paint the wheels a normal colour, replace that stupid looking exhaust (even the one on the ridiculous car looks better), ditch the tyre paint and replace the daft wheel nuts.

Ken · 29 Jan 2014 at 21:55

[TW]Fox;25747978 said:
Why would it die again?

It would also be many thousands of pounds less for a car thats 99% the same.

It's been back 3 times since the original rebuild.

bledd · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:01

http://www.itr-dc2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=104775

Mugen packed

lemonade · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:06

[TW]Fox;25747978 said:
Why would it die again?

It would also be many thousands of pounds less for a car thats 99% the same.

They aren't 99% the same, the Euro R is a completely different beast. But the 2.4 Type S is still a fantastic car for much less money.

stulid · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:08

Euro R, love them too.

You seen the Best Motoring vids featuring them?

[TW]Fox · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:13

lemonade said:
They aren't 99% the same, the Euro R is a completely different beast

Oh is it, I thought it, like the Type S, was a Honda Accord. I didn't realise it was actually a panel van or a mid engined supercar, both of which would be 'completely different beasts'

99% of the time its the same car. It's a Honda Accord. A better Honda Accord, yes, but not thousands of pounds better.

Ken · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:13

bledd. said:
http://www.itr-dc2.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=104775

Mugen packed

Need to be a member to see it but if it's a DC2 then I rather have a DC5 haha but no to DCs

stulid said:
Euro R, love them too.

You seen the Best Motoring vids featuring them?

Watching them now

Clarkey · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:17

You'd have to be nuts to buy a Euro R, price seems insane?

lemonade · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:33

[TW]Fox;25748107 said:
Oh is it, I thought it, like the Type S, was a Honda Accord. I didn't realise it was actually a panel van or a mid engined supercar, both of which would be 'completely different beasts'

99% of the time its the same car. It's a Honda Accord. A better Honda Accord, yes, but not thousands of pounds better.

Yes of course, just like how a BMW M3 is 99% the same car as a BMW 318, the M3 ain't worth thousands of pounds more as essentially they are the same car, after all they have four wheels, a steering wheel, a bonnet and a couple of seats for good measure.

[TW]Fox · 29 Jan 2014 at 22:35

lemonade said:
Yes of course, just like how a BMW M3 is 99% the same car as a BMW 318, the M3 ain't worth thousands of pounds more as essentially they are the same car, after all they have four wheels, a steering wheel, a bonnet and a couple of seats for good measure.

For a start a BMW M3 has 343bhp and a 318i has 140bhp (Or 400bhp v 140bhp depending on what version we are talking about), the difference therefore is rather different to the 190bhp v 220bhp of the Type-S versus the Euro R. But, essentially, yes, a BMW M3 *is* a BMW 3 Series and couldnt be seriously described as a 'completely different beast' either.

lemonade · 29 Jan 2014 at 23:48

There is more to a car then mere bhp. Are you seriously saying driving a 318 to an M3 is the same? The m3 is a different beast!

Likewise the Euro R is a different beast to the other Accord whether its the 2.0 or the 2.4. The Euro R has an engine that is a different in character and that extra 30-75bhp makes a big difference, stiffened chassis, different suspension setup, shorter gears, an LSD, tuned EPS, its a different beast and a different experience, to say its the same thing is just silly.

Abyss · 29 Jan 2014 at 23:58

lemonade said:
its a different beast and a different experience, to say its the same thing is just silly.

There is a middle ground between "completely different beast" and "the same thing". Fox is not saying they are the same.

It seems absolutely mad to spend this sort of money on an 11 year old Accord. I sold my 58 plate 8th gen Accord for £7k!

Ken · 30 Jan 2014 at 00:01

lemonade said:
There is more to a car then mere bhp. Are you seriously saying driving a 318 to an M3 is the same? The m3 is a different beast!

Likewise the Euro R is a different beast to the other Accord whether its the 2.0 or the 2.4. The Euro R has an engine that is a different in character and that extra 30-75bhp makes a big difference, stiffened chassis, different suspension setup, shorter gears, an LSD, tuned EPS, its a different beast and a different experience, to say its the same thing is just silly.

I suspect Fox's last sentence has hit the VTEC region on the sarcasm meter

I think the Euro R is at least worth a visit. Besides Honda Tech, any other Honda forums I should sign up to for more info on parts availability and cost info?

lemonade · 30 Jan 2014 at 00:06

No but the way i read it makes it out as if the Euro R is basically the same as a boggo Accord when its not. Honda didn't spend all that time and money to make a car that is 99% the same as others.

7.5k is expensive for sure and that seller is being abit optimistic, but you are paying more for the rarity of it and what's underneath, so its worth more than a standard one, age doesn't matter.

Ken · 30 Jan 2014 at 00:27

It is mad on initial thought when you consider the price and age and what could be had for the same amount of money but this concern is miniscule to me in comparison to the concern of my thread regarding parts and likelihood of needing them. Not much else appeals to me for the money and I'm willing to pay that much extra for what the Euro R has to offer over the other CL7s. Assuming it's pain free ownership it be worth it in the sense that this is my dream car for now. A car that means so much and so proud of that you turn around and look at once you've parked up!

To some I'm sure it will be an overpriced jap crap but it's all about how the driver feels owning and driving it.