Declining attitude to law and order

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FoxEye said:
The police aren't what they used to be. You guys couldn't hold a candle to the police of yesteryear - who weren't all namby pamby politically correct jobsworths, about as useful at preventing real crime as a well toilet roll.
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The police of yesterday year were racist bullies on power trips.

I am glad they get held accountable for it in today's world. Moan about money being spent unwisely like a privelidged little white boy, I'm just glad I don't get called a **** by police anymore, or thrown in the van and kept overnight because I'm brown and in the wrong place at are at the wrong time.

Don't have a got at boournsy, he doesn't make the silly pr decisions. Although blindly trying to justify them because you are a copper is a bad trait to have.
 
StriderX said:
So you want officers to be out and about, engaging with the community, but also not to... do that?

It's only wrong to engage with the gay folk i guess.
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Whilst I don't completely agree with FoxEye's viewpoints (as in, I don't believe our police resources are used as efficiently as possible but it's not entirely of their doing), I really don't believe applying stickers/wraps on their vehicles can be classed as a way of engaging with a community.
 
FoxEye said:
Maybe if you saved £30k here and £30k there, by not spunking money on gay pride stickers, you'd be able to afford more equipment and officers?

I know I know, it's a separate pot of money so you can't do that. That sticker money is from the PR budget!

Absolute joke.
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Well except you'd need to save an awful lot of 30k's to save enough money to even just put a single beat bobby on foot in every town with a population of over 20k, as in you'd probably need to double the police budget unless you utterly stripped the officers from the traffic, drugs, rape and murder teams.

My area has maybe 4 officers on duty for a population of ~100-200k much of the time, that's the total to cover a major town, several large towns and any number of villages, to get "foot patrol" coverage you'd notice you'd need probably 4 officers just for my town, which is large but not "major".

About the only time we see police in person is market days, and from memory that's because the local council pay specifically towards an officer for those days, and because the local fire station is now a "blue light hub" or something, which seems to mean the police park several vehicles there so they don't have to go 20 miles to the nearest large (only one left in our area?) police station to change vehicles.

One of the reasons the "beat bobby" disappeared was basically because it's impossible to pay for enough officers to have them visible whilst still responding to calls in a timely manner, and the forces were pushed to make the choice of either fast response or foot patrols that needed to be picked up to respond to anything more than a mile or so away.
 
Mekrel said:
Whilst I don't completely agree with FoxEye's viewpoints (as in, I don't believe our police resources are used as efficiently as possible but it's not entirely of their doing), I really don't believe applying stickers/wraps on their vehicles can be classed as a way of engaging with a community.
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That would really be up to that community to decide, which 99% of this forum are not :p
 
Riding a motorcycle most of the year, I get to smell a fair bit of what's going on around me - and have lost count of the number of times a passing vehicle, or one in front reeks of cannabis. Sure, sometimes its two up - so could be a passenger, but there have been a whole lot of times when it's been a single occupant apparently having a toke when driving.

Do what you want in your own home, but smoking weed whilst driving is unacceptable imo.
 
NVP said:
The police of yesterday year were racist bullies on power trips.

I am glad they get held accountable for it in today's world. Moan about money being spent unwisely like a privelidged little white boy, I'm just glad I don't get called a **** by police anymore, or thrown in the van and kept overnight because I'm brown and in the wrong place at are at the wrong time.

Don't have a got at boournsy, he doesn't make the silly pr decisions. Although blindly trying to justify them because you are a copper is a bad trait to have.
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Lulwut.

You talk about racist police then call me a "privileged white boy" :p Irony, much. (I know, you can't be racist against whites, for some reason...)

Anyway I don't think putting rainbows on vehicles proves anything, tbh. Doesn't even prove that the officer driving the car isn't homophobic, which he could be?

I'm not anti-gay, or anti-BAME or anything else. I do however see the difference between money being used well and money being spunked on car stickers.

£30k might "not be much" in the grand scheme of things, but as tax payers I believe many of us would rather see this kind of nonsense spending done away with. Those £30k spends will add up.

krooton said:
That would really be up to that community to decide, which 99% of this forum are not :p
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Which community? The gay community?

Or the locals? Because I'd love to see some evidence that people were actively calling out for rainbow stickers on police cars. I imagine (having worked in the public sector) it was simply a management whim.
 
Dis86 said:
Ah my local PCC. The leftist career politician who couldn't get democratically elected and had to go off 2nd preference votes! Look her up, she's literally a joke.
One of the, if not the, lowest voter turn out ever.
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anyone would think you were talking about Kim mcguinness...
 
Well I know we have a few gay posters on here; I'd love to hear whether they think £30k on rainbow stickers is a) a good use of their/our tax money and b) represents "engagement" with their community. Because as far as I'm aware, a sticker doesn't help reduce crime or hate incidents.

If stickers were so powerful, maybe we could use them to lower knife crime, etc :p Maybe they can just put "knife crime is bad, mmkay" on some stickers around London. Job done!
 
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NVP said:
The police of yesterday year were racist bullies on power trips.

I am glad they get held accountable for it in today's world. Moan about money being spent unwisely like a privelidged little white boy, I'm just glad I don't get called a **** by police anymore, or thrown in the van and kept overnight because I'm brown and in the wrong place at are at the wrong time.

Don't have a got at boournsy, he doesn't make the silly pr decisions. Although blindly trying to justify them because you are a copper is a bad trait to have.
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I wish they was not as accountable, hey but i am white, law abiding, pay my taxes and generally get on with life without impacting others negatively where possible. Do not call anybody "bruth" or swear in public places like it was my own home. Scumbags are scumbags yet it is all hidden in the left-wing cover-up of racism if anything is done to target the problem no matter how much fact is behind it.
 
FoxEye said:
Well I know we have a few gay posters on here; I'd love to hear whether they think £30k on rainbow stickers is a) a good use of their/our tax money and b) represents "engagement" with their community. Because as far as I'm aware, a sticker doesn't help reduce crime or hate incidents.

If stickers were so powerful, maybe we could use them to lower knife crime, etc :p Maybe they can just put "knife crime is bad, mmkay" on some stickers around London. Job done!
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I'm gay, and I think it's a complete waste of money to be spending money like this on stickers, simply because a; it does nothing, and b; the police have no money.

Although, I don't blame the police for this outright, I blame the ministerial interface between the actual police force and the government, the latter of which has become highly talented at wrecking anything it goes near (the government) and I think these stickers are just an attempt to make the police force look 'fashionable' or 'in touch with the times' or whatever.

I think the police men and woman are good people, trying to do a difficult job in a climate where the base level of crime is not only intensifying, whilst at the same time their resources are being evermore depleted.

I also think our police officers are perceived as being a little 'weak' and as such, they garner less respect than they should. There are numerous examples online, of UK cops turning up to deal with a violent incident, where they become overrun by abuse and violence. In many other countries this just would not happen.

It's probably the result of numerous things, a depletion of the force, loosening of entry requirements, all of which contribute towards an overall lack of force - which might explain the lack of respect the police have these days.

On the topic of whether we should arm all police officers with firearms, I'm not sure where I sit in that debate.
 
Violent crime has, reversing a 30 year trend, been rising since austerity cuts to policing and youth services. It's not exactly rocket science.
 
I think if I had to blame one person, for all the issues involving crime and the police, it would have to sit with the world's stupidest woman, Teresa May.

I cannot think of anybody who's caused more damage, whilst simultaneously being on the wrong/losing side of almost every argument, and has done as much real damage as her.

I don't think you could find a more incompetent, stupid, talentless person to run a country, if you tried.. (excluding Dianne Abbot)
 
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TheVoice said:
How do you dedicate resources to foot patrols when there aren't enough to answer 999 calls? It simply isn't feasible. Some cops on foot aren't much use to anyone if an emergency call comes in beyond walking distance.
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There would still be police in cars.

I have to wonder, genuinely, what they are doing most of the day? Because they aren't getting many cases to court.
 
FoxEye said:
The police aren't what they used to be. You guys couldn't hold a candle to the police of yesteryear - who weren't all namby pamby politically correct jobsworths, about as useful at preventing real crime as a well toilet roll.
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What was the best thing about the police of yesteryear? Corrupt relationships with organised crime? Verballing? Fitting up the nearest unsympathetic character when the pressure was on?
 
Screeeech said:
I think if I had to blame one person, for all the issues involving crime and the police, it would have to sit with the world's stupidest woman, Teresa May.

I cannot think of anybody who's caused more damage, whilst simultaneously being on the wrong/losing side of almost every argument, and has done as much real damage as her.

I don't think you could find a more incompetent, stupid, talentless person to run a country, if you tried.. (excluding Dianne Abbot)
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I was about to comment on a more stupid person but nope - nail on head!
 
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