Declining attitude to law and order

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Zatoichi.uK said:
I saw a nickname being mentioned (Ray) along with possible mental health issues, schizophrenia etc. Certainly feels like the usual narrative.
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I'm pretty sure the average, mentally stable person doesn't go on a stabbing spree :confused:


Zatoichi.uK said:
After a quick look there seems to have been another stabbing in Birmingham of a 19 year old in the last couple of hours. Sigh...
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Knife crim in Birmingham averaged out to 10 incidents a day for 2019 with a total of 3,649.

It's got no signs of getting better, more bobbies on the street would help but there ain't enough for the amount of ****** areas here these days.

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Malevolence said:
And in the case of it being a white guy there'd be quotes from social media where he criticises gays, blacks or Islam and photos of him holding an England flag, strategically cropped so they can be taken out of context by the gullible masses.
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I'm losing track of who's foot the shoe is on now.
 
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NVP said:
I'm pretty sure the average, mentally stable person doesn't go on a stabbing spree :confused:
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How does one tell the difference between ideologically possessed and mentally unstable? Mental health issues seems to be a rather useful term to deflect from larger issues is my point.

The stats on Birmingham stabbings are indeed shocking.
 
Zatoichi.uK said:
How does one tell the difference between ideologically possessed and mentally unstable? Mental health issues seems to be a rather useful term to deflect from larger issues is my point.
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Usually those who are ideologically "possessed" are rather vocal, however the two are not antonymous and I'd suspect rather conjoined.
 
Zephaniah Mcleod. Just released from prison after being recalled part way through his sentence for being a scumbag. Known mental instability.

And the courts released this guy back in to the public domain. GG.
 
Dis86 said:
Zephaniah Mcleod. Just released from prison after being recalled part way through his sentence for being a scumbag. Known mental instability.

And the courts released this guy back in to the public domain. GG.
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The court's won't have released him unless you mean a court specifically ordered his release.

The probation service IIRC will have been in charge of assessing his suitability for release in conjunction with the prison service (both of which are badly understaffed), with the assistance of any medical/psychiatric reports. If he was no longer able to be held due to the maximum prison sentence running out from memory he should have been held in a psychiatric institution if he was still considered a high risk due to mental health issues.

The Court sets the sentence, comprising of the recommended, the minimum and the maximum in accordance to the guidance and rules laid down by the government (and a judge has to have extremely good reasons to vary from that in any way), with the convict potentially serving the maximum time the judge has said if there is no remorse or they are still considered a threat at when it hits the minimum or recommended sentencing period.

So if he was released part way through his sentence it wasn't the court that released him.

I somehow feel I've post this little bit of basic information about how sentencing works hundreds of times.


Or to put it another when you go to moan about a court being lenient, remember the courts enforce the law, which includes sentencing as laid down by the government they can't just decide to go against what the government has stated unless the government's own instructions go against other established laws and precedents.
 
Werewolf said:
The court's won't have released him unless you mean a court specifically ordered his release.

The probation service IIRC will have been in charge of assessing his suitability for release in conjunction with the prison service (both of which are badly understaffed), with the assistance of any medical/psychiatric reports. If he was no longer able to be held due to the maximum prison sentence running out from memory he should have been held in a psychiatric institution if he was still considered a high risk due to mental health issues.

The Court sets the sentence, comprising of the recommended, the minimum and the maximum in accordance to the guidance and rules laid down by the government (and a judge has to have extremely good reasons to vary from that in any way), with the convict potentially serving the maximum time the judge has said if there is no remorse or they are still considered a threat at when it hits the minimum or recommended sentencing period.

So if he was released part way through his sentence it wasn't the court that released him.

I somehow feel I've post this little bit of basic information about how sentencing works hundreds of times.


Or to put it another when you go to moan about a court being lenient, remember the courts enforce the law, which includes sentencing as laid down by the government they can't just decide to go against what the government has stated unless the government's own instructions go against other established laws and precedents.
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And I've corrected you on it before. Sentencing guidelines aren't set by the government. They're set by a board which includes judges and lawyers.
 
The Sun said:
Zephaniah McLeod, 27, had been jailed for three years in 2017 but was released at the halfway point of his sentence.

After his recall, McLeod served the entirety of his jail term before being released back into the community in April.

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McLeod did not need to be subjected to probation controls because he had already served his full prison term.
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Just for a bit of detail/clarity.


The Sun said:
But today it emerged he suffers from “serious” mental health problems - sparking major questions over how he was monitored in the community by over-stretched local health teams.

A source said: “His mental health and his monitoring will be a key feature of any future enquiry.”
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It'll be interesting to find out a bit more on this - what was already known by authorities and when etc.
 
Chris Wilson said:
It's just not your year is it? ;)
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Nor anyone who cares about the country or the rule of law.

Still, stay on topic - isn't it funny how the same people railing against law breakers have a mindset that allowing law breaking when it suits them?

Strip away the fallacy and all that's left is "I should be allowed to do what I want and others should not".

Weak logic.
 
McstylisT said:
Who let the remainiac’s out,

WTO WTO WTO

Who let the remainiac’s out,

WTO WTO WTO ....

Are we really hanging on to something that is not going to make a single piece of difference.
any shred of skewed hope eh ?. Meh

Anyone else feeling tired of this OT tripe. ?
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You're insisting that your particular fallacious foible - in this case your tribalism - trumps adherence to the law... in a thread pondering the declining attitude to law and order. The lack of self-awareness is pathological.
 
garnett said:
You're insisting that your particular fallacious foible - in this case your tribalism - trumps adherence to the law... in a thread pondering the declining attitude to law and order. The lack of self-awareness is pathological.
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No, I just think you misinterpret it.
These are times of political change. On many fronts across the globe. Where majorities want a change. This is that process. Nothing is ever politically smooth from one party to another. This time it’s real right wing conservatism, not some Trojan secret left agendas ones.
Those laws and that we had will be tested. In some scenarios they may be overlooked and redefined to reflect current political position. It’s about the UK now. It does not matter who they upset. Which law it’s not following. We do it how we see fit. Going forward. We are not looking for more of the same. This is what this whole year has been about. Change.

self-awareness is a left ideological creation. That’s going in the garbage with the rest.

It’s time to change the record Gerb. Xx
 
McstylisT said:
No, I just think you misinterpret it.
These are times of political change. On many fronts across the globe. Where majorities want a change. This is that process. Nothing is ever politically smooth from one party to another. This time it’s real right wing conservatism, not some Trojan secret left agendas ones.
Those laws and that we had will be tested. In some scenarios they may be overlooked and redefined to reflect current political position. It’s about the UK now. It does not matter who they upset. Which law it’s not following. We do it how we see fit. Going forward. We are not looking for more of the same. This is what this whole year has been about. Change.

self-awareness is a left ideological creation. That’s going in the garbage with the rest.

It’s time to change the record Gerb. Xx
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You have to understand that garnett just views the Conservatives and people on the right as inherently selfish and evil, so he's not really interested in discussing nuance or looking at the situation holistically, he's simply looking for things that confirm what he already knows; which is that the current UK Government is all things bad.
 
McstylisT said:
No, I just think you misinterpret it.
These are times of political change. On many fronts across the globe. Where majorities want a change. This is that process. Nothing is ever politically smooth from one party to another. This time it’s real right wing conservatism, not some Trojan secret left agendas ones.
Those laws and that we had will be tested. In some scenarios they may be overlooked and redefined to reflect current political position. It’s about the UK now. It does not matter who they upset. Which law it’s not following. We do it how we see fit. Going forward. We are not looking for more of the same. This is what this whole year has been about. Change.

self-awareness is a left ideological creation. That’s going in the garbage with the rest.

It’s time to change the record Gerb. Xx
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"Self-awareness is a left ideological creation" - this is classic "If I don't understand it, it doesn't make sense" Dunning Kruger thinking.

And whatever waffle you post up, there's no getting away from the fact your tribalism is such that it has led you to endorse your Government breaking international law. Plenty of senior Tories are highlighting just how shameful this is - it isn't just "the Left" as your efforts to dismiss this would paint it.

Face it - the people moaned about in this thread all built up mental fallacies to justify their law-breaking to themselves - and that's the same thinking you admit you share.

Roar87 said:
You have to understand that garnett just views the Conservatives and people on the right as inherently selfish and evil, so he's not really interested in discussing nuance or looking at the situation holistically, he's simply looking for things that confirm what he already knows; which is that the current UK Government is all things bad.
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Weak ad-hominem without any basis - it's customary to ask for a citation or an apology.

I'm guessing this latest error of yours is based on me posting up the results of studies like these:-

People with lower emotional intelligence are more likely to hold right-wing views, study finds"

https://www.psypost.org/2019/09/peo...ly-to-hold-right-wing-views-study-finds-54369
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You're not arguing with me; you're arguing with reality.

:)
 
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