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thats glass you know.
i think they looked at this years ago - i don't know what happened to the idea, i think it was too expensive.
thats glass you know.
i think they looked at this years ago - i don't know what happened to the idea, i think it was too expensive.
As is everything, why spend millions on making a new glass technology when pubs are closing every minute, its just sad that people have to glass other people because of being drunk.
If you ever had to sweep the floor on a Friday/Saturday night after everyone's gone home then you'll know why plastics are used. I nearly cut my foot open (went right through my shoe) because some idiot smashed a few glasses on the floor one night. Plastics aren't nice to drink from agreed, but they are clearly the sensible option at busy venues at peak times.
As for mounted headcams (I guess I fall into the civil liberties group in that I hate the ID cards and terrorism laws, etc.) I have no real issue with them. If they help the police do their job more effectively and fairly, then by all means they are a worthy investment.
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It's the stuff in the container that causes it, and the idiots thowing it down their necks.
I know why they do it, and why it is needed, still doesn't mean I have to like it!
I think companies just need to make the plastic thicker and less rough around the top (I assume they pour/cut the plastic at the rim and not the base). If done the other way round it would be so much better.
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Mounted headcams are a HORRIBLE idea, because once it becomes standard, well, it becomes easy for prosecutors to put people in jail with video evidence, but afterwards it becames HARDER than it was before to convict WITHOUT video evidence. Now keep in mind police are hardly ever on scene to witness crimes themselves anyway, and even things they witness they will have to be looking in the right direction at the right time to catch anything useful. You will increase the ease of gaining convictions in maybe 5% of cases, but 95% of cases gain the argument "but wheres the video evidence".
DNA has its upsides, and downsides, its easier to prosecute with matching DNA taken off, victims, locations, etc, etc, but when DNA is missing its now a fairly big problem in big cases. DNA though in murder cases with blood getting everywhere quite easily, or rape cases, can be so damning we need it as a tool, but video will rarely be useful.
It will just end up being another checkbox on the defence's checklist to reel out infront of the jury, its just a bad idea all around.
AS for not having glasses in bars, it should have been done decades ago. Yes its treating the symptom and not the cause, but we can't treat the cause anymore, even if you could limiting the symptoms isn't a terrible thing to do.
Oh knows, you're getting mashed off your face and your beer or coke tastes ever so slightly different to normal, so?
Its not like the places that need to get rid of glass are places serving £400 bottles of wine that need to breathe a little to get the best taste out of it.
A nice fancy wine bar simply doesn't get the clientel that get mashed and start brawls, the places that do have people so drunk they'd probably be happy to drink from a communal bucket.
DNA has its upsides, and downsides, its easier to prosecute with matching DNA taken off, victims, locations, etc, etc, but when DNA is missing its now a fairly big problem in big cases. DNA though in murder cases with blood getting everywhere quite easily, or rape cases, can be so damning we need it as a tool, but video will rarely be useful.
It will just end up being another checkbox on the defence's checklist to reel out infront of the jury, its just a bad idea all around.
AS for not having glasses in bars, it should have been done decades ago. Yes its treating the symptom and not the cause, but we can't treat the cause anymore, even if you could limiting the symptoms isn't a terrible thing to do.
Oh knows, you're getting mashed off your face and your beer or coke tastes ever so slightly different to normal, so?
Its not like the places that need to get rid of glass are places serving £400 bottles of wine that need to breathe a little to get the best taste out of it.
A nice fancy wine bar simply doesn't get the clientel that get mashed and start brawls, the places that do have people so drunk they'd probably be happy to drink from a communal bucket.
I know why they do it, and why it is needed, still doesn't mean I have to like it!
I think companies just need to make the plastic thicker and less rough around the top (I assume they pour/cut the plastic at the rim and not the base). If done the other way round it would be so much better.
its extruded from a disc and the lip will just be left as it is. its the lip that i dont like, if it was a bit thicker and had a straight lip (like glass) rather than the curved lip i wouldn't mind drinking from plastic
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The main thing I noticed was that they used Burial for some of the music, and that church on Cowely road in oxford is known to be full of crackheads! 
That said, it did have a bit of an anti-alcohol agenda...
That said, it did have a bit of an anti-alcohol agenda...
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I disagree. Headcams are rarely used 24/7 and usually come into play during the few hours where public order is a problem and also domestic issues.
It has happened where violent partners have been prosecuted for domestic violence in the absence of a complaint from their scared witless other half purely due to an initial account and video evidence of injuries.
The terrified victim often refuses to make a complaint and headcams pay for themselves in these instances. The Home Office, ACPO, local police authorities and senior officers all endorse them.
DNA is a vital tool against fighting crime but it is rarely used by itself. As for video not being useful ? Photographic and video / CCTV evidence is far better than DNA in putting a suspect at the scene.
The defence try all tricks in the book and some that aren't anyway so it is no new thing.
Its not the same but if they just forced it on every pub and club then it would work but all it will do is stop people from getting bottled but probably stabbed or attacked, its not going to take away the urge a drunk person has to attack you.
Just as long as they aren't cheap, sharp edged pieces of ****. Unfortunately everything is done at a cost, so they will be cheap, sharp edged and ****...
As above: not serving people who are drunk or appear to be drunk ( as in what the law says ) would be a start ..... then stop **** holes going out to just to get wasted/drinking vodka/shots etc: very sad people with sad lives!
But this is Great Britain, the land off the inane, drunk ...... so maybe just give 'em all machetes and let 'em get on with it.
I'm all for head cams too; these **** heads can then see what absolute **** they are.
Iv not ran into anywhere in plymouth that uses them yet
oh i lie, barbican on bank hols, but thats probably because everything ends up in the water and its easier fishing plastic out.The plastic bottles are nasty things too.