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Tummy said:
Disagree.

I don't think the CGI has aged as badly as you're making out nor did I have much issue with the Ents.

I would argue that it only falls below the Hobbit due to 10 years of techonolgy between the films and a higher budget ;)

As I said, those shots didn't look right at the time and they still don't now. Feels like people are clutching at straws.
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Its the broader shots for me in LOTR that do not work so well, where the characters are small, and the animation appears stiff. As for the Ent's I thought they looked embarrassingly poor upon release, and look even worse with the passage of time... but that is mostly due to using live-action models, and not CGI... they look like puppets.

I'm kind-of nit picking though, as I love the films, but generally think The Hobbit's effects look great, with very little standing out for me as substandard.
 
Just got back from watching it in 3D IMAX HFR.

Firstly I didn't find the 3D gimmicky in the slightest. Personally I don't want to be reminded I'm watching it in 3D so the less gimmicks the better. I thought it worked really well.

It did get off to a slow start. Early on I thought I was watching a live stage show with the HFR. It took a while to get used to but by the end it felt very natural to me. I'd definitely watch more films in this format. At the end, my eyes weren't tired at all. I found the whole experience very easy on the eyes. Superb clarity.

I thought they spent far too much time in Bilbo's house at the start. Once they left the house, the film really starts to quicken pace.

The CGI was excellent for the most part. Someone said they were disappointed that the orcs were CGI. I found them to be very convincing along with the trolls and goblins.

Being picky, I didn't like the quips about 'golf' and 'chips'. Come on, please. Who's dumb idea was that?

As an overall cinema experience, I enjoyed it much more than I did when watching Skyfall. The film went surprisingly fast.

A solid 8/10. :)
 
The only plot hole that bugs me is.

Upon finding the ring. Bilbo stops aging. Its a marvel and nobody knows why. In the LOTR gandalf says "you haven't aged a day" but not as if to say he looks well. He is genuinely curious as bilbo hasnt aged a day. Thus he should look the same in the hobbit as he does in LOTR (before passing on the ring, naturally)


Other than that, the other plot changes are understandable for a book to film adaptation. (lets not mention radaghasts nature.)
 
jakspyder said:
The only plot hole that bugs me is.

Upon finding the ring. Bilbo stops aging. Its a marvel and nobody knows why. In the LOTR gandalf says "you haven't aged a day" but not as if to say he looks well. He is genuinely curious as bilbo hasnt aged a day. Thus he should look the same in the hobbit as he does in LOTR (before passing on the ring, naturally)


Other than that, the other plot changes are understandable for a book to film adaptation. (lets not mention radaghasts nature.)
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That's not a plot hole.

The ring doesn't stop you aging completely, just holds back the effects. Also it's strength is directly linked to Sauron's. Thus the effect got stronger as Sauron's strength returned, it was only towards the end of Bilbo's time with the ring that it began to significantly exert itself on him. It's also why Bilbo is able to take the ring off so much easier than Frodo is in LOTR (and why the effect while he is wearing the ring is not nearly as strong)
 
Shamikebab said:
That's not a plot hole.

The ring doesn't stop you aging completely, just holds back the effects. Also it's strength is directly linked to Sauron's. Thus the effect got stronger as Sauron's strength returned, it was only towards the end of Bilbo's time with the ring that it began to significantly exert itself on him. It's also why Bilbo is able to take the ring off so much easier than Frodo is in LOTR (and why the effect while he is wearing the ring is not nearly as strong)
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plus i very much doubt this is the last time gangalf see's bilbo for the next 60 years, given that frodo is friends with gandalf too, so when gnagalf says you haven't aged a day, he means since i last saw you, which was perhaps 5 years, who knows.

i really dislike hearing people's bad opinions on lotr. e.g.

In LOTR he finds the ring when he is old, so I can only assume that some where in this series of films the ring will end up back in gollums hands.

Also explains the line Frodo used in LOTR when he put the sword sting to Gollums throat.
 
Decent opening weekend of 11.4M in the UK. To put that into perspective Bond made 20.1 on opening weekend and Batman TDKR made 15.

Think Warner will be disapointed tbh but think there will be very little drop in week two. I'd predict the money will be at around 28/30 million by Next Monday.
 
Booked 4 VIP seats for The Hobbit on Christmas Eve a'noon at my nearest Vue. Standard 2D version, looking forward to it.
 
Went to watch this for the second time last night but the HFR 3d version this time. The film is still great IMO but I cant say that I enjoyed the HFR, it made everything look too real which conversely made everything look quite un-natural. It was an effect I just could not get used to. Maybe once filmmakers get to grips with it and learn how to make the most of it HFR will find a place but for me it added nothing to the experience and made most of the film look like a BBC childrens fantasy production.
 
If I've not seen the LOTR films (except the first) would I be spoiling anything if I were to go see the Hobbit, considering it's a prequel?
 
I dont think it felt as long as i was expecting, i was just getting settled in and the film ended! Maybe its because i had read a few reviews saying it dragged a bit and spent the last few weeks watching the extended LOTR, i thought the fellowship of the ring felt a lot slower.

I better start organizing a trip to hobbiton, my girlfriend has fallen in love with the films.
 
Mat said:
I saw this on Sat and have one question...

Why did they change the way in which Bilbo found the ring? The LOTR saw Bilbo just sort of coming across is as he was fumbling around but in The Hobbit, Bilbo actually sees it fall from Gollum...?
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krooton said:
Pretty sure we see Gollum drop it, but Bilbo only notices it once he gets up.
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Mat said:
Yes, probably, but in LOTR, Bilbo actually says "What's this...?" while we hear Gollum screaming in the background; "Lost! The precious is lost!" or similar...

Not a big deal really but I thought they would have tried to keep it the same...
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My thoughts exactly. In the book, Bilbo is lost in the tunnels and he 'feels' the ring out and takes it. He then stumbles into Gollum's underground cave and hears Gollum singing his little ditty - and here is another bit that narked me - whilst bludgeoning a fish, not a Goblin
 
Mat said:
I saw this on Sat and have one question...

Why did they change the way in which Bilbo found the ring? The LOTR saw Bilbo just sort of coming across is as he was fumbling around but in The Hobbit, Bilbo actually sees it fall from Gollum...?
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Minor LOTR spoiler contained as well.

How Bilbo found the ring is a interesting story as it has changed a few times. In the original Hobbit Bilbo just wins the ring from Gollum in the game that they play. However this didn't fit with Tolkiens vision of Gollum for LOTR(and the power that the ring holds) so he went back and rewrote the Hobbit to have Bilbo steal/trick Gollum into giving away the ring.
 
Another interesting view is that Bilbo changed his story, What we see at the beginning of LOTR is what Galadriel believed to have happened. (off the top of my head I think Bilbo changed his story in the Hobbit book as well?)
 
Shamikebab said:
Another interesting view is that Bilbo changed his story, What we see at the beginning of LOTR is what Galadriel believed to have happened. (off the top of my head I think Bilbo changed his story in the Hobbit book as well?)
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That's how I read in to that shot in the Lord of the Rings :)
 
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