Well yeah, but even for Iraq they gave us facts and information to support the case for going to war - Saddam had WMD, 45 mins notice to fire missiles at Cyprus and so on - it's a shame that those facts turned out to be complete BS and no-one has carried the can for a monumental screw-up at best.
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Well yeah, but even for Iraq they gave us facts and information to support the case for going to war - Saddam had WMD, 45 mins notice to fire missiles at Cyprus and so on - it's a shame that those facts turned out to be complete BS and no-one has carried the can for a monumental screw-up at best.
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It will be a first if they do. Govt dissembles and create fiction for the people via the media to get support for a war that the people would normally not want. Govt will not give people facts. Only their spin.
Do you really believe Cameron wants to protect Libyan civilians?
When the full(or a lot) facts became known about Iraq people turned against Blair.
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Plus some of those are "supercarriers" - the things are just immense. Things will change one day, but unlikely in our lifetime.
They gave us made up facts, it's almost the same. I remember 'beyond all doubt' being used several times.
What a total plonker he turned out to be.
And yes they did release the public 'dodgy' dossiers etc but that was the line they wanted people to believe to bolster public opinion for invasion. We go in and find nothing. It becomes a snowballing issue. It turns out when we do get the real detail it was all unaccredited, most of it works of the imagination and turned out to be an almost comical joke if the end effects of it weren't so deadly serious.
Again, too late because by this point boots are on the ground and coffins are coming home.
Indeed. Then they blame 'faulty' intelligence when the truth is that they had decided to invade Iraq come what may. The whole case about Saddam posing a threat to anybody, and WMDs, was a fairytale designed to fool the gullible. Of course they knew that he was no threat. After all, he had fully complied with the UN demands to disarm. His only weapons were a few short range missiles which the UN resolution permitted him to have for self defence. The elite know that most people are gullible. They have been brought up that way. They have been indoctrinated not to think too much.
Even today, after Blair and Bush and the case for invading Iraq have been utterly discredited - even now, a significant proportion of people still think it was the right thing to do, or think it was a 'well meaning' policy based on 'faulty' intelligence
Indeed. Then they blame 'faulty' intelligence when the truth is that they had decided to invade Iraq come what may. The whole case about Saddam posing a threat to anybody, and WMDs, was a fairytale designed to fool the gullible. Of course they knew that he was no threat. After all, he had fully complied with the UN demands to disarm. His only weapons were a few short range missiles which the UN resolution permitted him to have for self defence. The elite know that most people are gullible. They have been brought up that way. They have been indoctrinated not to think too much.
Even today, after Blair and Bush and the case for invading Iraq have been utterly discredited - even now, a significant proportion of people still think it was the right thing to do, or think it was a 'well meaning' policy based on 'faulty' intelligence
I believed it at the time, Ii was one of the people who blindly trusted the powers that be.
We are all a little older now and wiser.
Unfortunately, questioning the given narrative tends to end up with you labeled as part of the tin foil hat brigade.
Yep don't listen to him, don't think, just keep accepting the mainstream media view of the world
Keep an eye out for those reptilian overlords DD.
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I wasn't aware Red Ed was in the government.
Yep don't listen to him, don't think, just keep accepting the mainstream media view of the world
Because the only views are the mainsteam media view and the reptiallian overlord view.
Anyone else a little worried about what Putin is saying? I just watched the film "Threads" too which didn't help
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163/
Russia Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said the intervention reminded him of the medieval call for crusades:
“In Bill Clinton’s times they bombed Yugoslavia and Belgrade, Bush sent troops to Afghanistan and then, under a made-up and absolutely false excuse they sent troops to Iraq, liquidated all Iraqi authorities, even children from Saddam Hussein’s family were killed. Now its Libya’s turn. They use protection of civilians as an excuse. But it is the civilian population who perish in air raids. So where is the logic and conscience? There is none of both.”
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090163/Russia Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said the intervention reminded him of the medieval call for crusades:
“In Bill Clinton’s times they bombed Yugoslavia and Belgrade, Bush sent troops to Afghanistan and then, under a made-up and absolutely false excuse they sent troops to Iraq, liquidated all Iraqi authorities, even children from Saddam Hussein’s family were killed. Now its Libya’s turn. They use protection of civilians as an excuse. But it is the civilian population who perish in air raids. So where is the logic and conscience? There is none of both.”
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Looks like the poll attached to this thread has split GD a right down the middle, 50/50 split.
Same cannot be said for parliament, only a handful of votes were against action, over 500 votes were for military action.
I usually would have said that GD had a more knee-jerk and warmongering response to most things than our representatives in parliament. I am proved wrong.
Same cannot be said for parliament, only a handful of votes were against action, over 500 votes were for military action.
I usually would have said that GD had a more knee-jerk and warmongering response to most things than our representatives in parliament. I am proved wrong.
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