It kind of does have something to do with us, he has killed many Brits over the years. Even if it didn't, is it morally justifiable to have countries ran by a dictatorship they don't want? The people of these places aren't always powerful enough to overthrow these dictators on their own. We have democracy now we should help others. The long-term benefits to the world are worth it.
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It kind of does have something to do with us, he has killed many Brits over the years. Even if it didn't, is it morally justifiable to have countries ran by a dictatorship they don't want? The people of these places aren't always powerful enough to overthrow these dictators on their own. We have democracy now we should help others. The long-term benefits to the world are worth it.
search and destroy is a lot different to a close protection team trying to be friendly
glad someone else spotted this. i would have thought sentinel (another soon to be ditched A/C) might get in on the action as well.
basically the major decisions of SDR in the last month has been shown to be the hollow shell that it is.
WOW, IS IT REALLY? I thought it was in Australia!
Wow, guilty North African Empire building France and BP Britannia both firmly wanting to have all their fingers in all the Pies if the "revolution" succeeds (which it will because they will covertly, if not already, be funding and supplying them with weapons)
Just wait wont be long till we are bombing Hospitals and Schools, regime change again woohooo, cant wait for the 1st Euro fighter to be shot down and the pilot being beaten up on Al Jazeera TV... Media fire-storm, ground troops validated.... oil contracts for the next 25 years from some Sympathetic Libyan puppet government.
All justified via Lockerbie, Muslim extreeeee3emism, regime change.
Just wait wont be long till we are bombing Hospitals and Schools, regime change again woohooo, cant wait for the 1st Euro fighter to be shot down and the pilot being beaten up on Al Jazeera TV... Media fire-storm, ground troops validated.... oil contracts for the next 25 years from some Sympathetic Libyan puppet government.
All justified via Lockerbie, Muslim extreeeee3emism, regime change.
Indeed.
How many times do we have to do this dance before people realise what's really going on? Or maybe they do realise but just dont care as long as the petrol prices decrease.
what like they did after iraq? when will it be you realise oil prices have little to do with the price you pay at the pump?
BP already had a contract signed with gadaffi before this kicked off as well, so will you stop drawing tired/inaccurate comparisons.
i have no problem with supporting a regime change in a country that wants it, its just like what we should have done when the marsh iraqi's rose up and we left them to be massacred instead of taking on saddam originally in the early 90's.
its not people dont realise, its that we have a different opinion to you.
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excellent news
this is exactly the sort of thing the UN is for
protecting those people who are getting smushed into a paste
some of you people are so synical and jaded about oil and not sticking our noses in
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing"
this will level the playing field in Libya, the resolution would allow shooting down planes as well as engaging ground targets like tanks
this is exactly the sort of thing the UN is for
protecting those people who are getting smushed into a paste
some of you people are so synical and jaded about oil and not sticking our noses in
"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing"
this will level the playing field in Libya, the resolution would allow shooting down planes as well as engaging ground targets like tanks
I agree with the man from Southampton
Which is of course exactly what we did a few years ago. Whether it was a case of backing the wrong horse (early on it looked a nailed on certainty that the rebels in Libya would win) or out of basic human decency we are now against him. Do you think Gaddafi is going to honour the contracts he signed with BP once he's regained control of his country? Can BP afford to lose another major asset?
Oh you mean like we did?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/data...sales-middle-east-north-africa#zoomed-picture
So, I've been rubbing and scratching my crystal balls and have a possible vision of the future,
1 - No fly zone fails
2 - We send in ground troops
3 - Gadaffi falls
4 - Gadaffi's troops turn overnight into terrorist insurgents
5 - They threaten the newly formed pro west, pro cheap oil government
6 - Car bombings, suicide bombings and assassinations ensue, with our troops protecting the government and training the army.
7 - Yet another terrorist group with a major grudge against the west and more dead soldiers.
What do you think?
1 - No fly zone fails
2 - We send in ground troops
3 - Gadaffi falls
4 - Gadaffi's troops turn overnight into terrorist insurgents
5 - They threaten the newly formed pro west, pro cheap oil government
6 - Car bombings, suicide bombings and assassinations ensue, with our troops protecting the government and training the army.
7 - Yet another terrorist group with a major grudge against the west and more dead soldiers.
What do you think?
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We won't send in ground troops, for one the UN resolution explicitly excludes that action, for another we can't afford it. If the no fly zone fails it'll be another decade of sanctions for Libya.
Depending on who you speak or listen to, the rebels are the terrorist insurgents (or at least in part).
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It was revealing listening to the comments post-vote.
China's main objection was the lack of detail in implementation (i.e., how), and they generally appose force - along with Russia - as it establishes a precedence. India's reeked of cowardice, so I suspect they have strong bilateral ties/trade a lot with Libya.
It did make me wonder why people want India, Germany and Brazil permanent members of the Council.
Most of Libya want us to do the no fly zone
So what's in it for us? There must be something or is it really about liberation and supporting democracy? Which leads me to try and understand the UK's selection process for intervention overseas.
Question Time was very good last night, Baroness Warsi got totally hammered on the topic of sending forces into Libya to much applause from the audience. Some difficult questions were put to her - to which of course she had no answer.
Question Time was very good last night, Baroness Warsi got totally hammered on the topic of sending forces into Libya to much applause from the audience. Some difficult questions were put to her - to which of course she had no answer.
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