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Were we right to get involved in Libya?

  • Yes

    Votes: 306 50.9%

  • No

    Votes: 295 49.1%
  • Total voters
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I'd very much like this Libya thing to end as soon as possible, 8 months a year out the country is going to really start ******* me off.
 
Captain Planet said:
Well no, it seems NATO is helping REBEL FORCES seize Libyan oil tankers (READ THE ARTICLE FFS). i don't see what is so surprising? Oil is scarce for both sides at this time. Cutting the oppositions supply to secure your own makes sense to me :confused:
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A Libya flagged vessel steered by the rebels and assisted by contingent of naval special forces boarded the Cartagena just outside Maltese territorial waters on Wednesday morning.
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From the article in question.
 
Which is exactly what I said; NATO assisting rebel forces to seize the tanker?

Stop playing stupid. We both know you posted that initial link with no intention other than to inspire a reaction of "OMGZ THEYRE STEALING THEIR OILZ!!!111". Where are your thoughts on the report? What is your opinion? Can we have some educated commentary from you or is it just a case of link and run as usual?
 
OldCoals said:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-14356722

80 dead in Syria, I assume will be be intervening any minute now to avert a humanitarian crisis.
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We were saying the same thing last night while wathing the 10 o'clock news. I guess it's because the footage taken from within Syria "cannot be validated", this appears to be the current get-out (or should that be stay-out!) clause. We keep hearing it.

Thought they might be able to send people in or spy from air/satellite if anyone really cared.
 
[TW]Fox;19749803 said:
We can't wade into Syria as we don't have the resources.

If Syria had kicked off like this before Libya, we would be there instead.
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Are you sure?

I see the Netherlands as handed over £100 million of seized Libyan funds to the WHO today.
 
Syria links into Israel and that whole mess and Lebanon. They would not invade even without Libya, much more preferable is an internal arab solution without massive change in Syria's regional influence


Turkish Foreign Minister Calls For End To Syrian ViolenceANKARA (AFP)--Turkey's foreign minister on Monday reiterated calls for an end to Syria's bloody crackdown on anti-regime protesters, saying operations had "intensified" despite talks last week with Bashar al Assad.
"The operations must end immediately...if not there will nothing for us to discuss" with the Syrian regime, Ahmet Davutoglu told a press conference.
The minister held talks with Assad for more than six hours during a visit to Damascus last Tuesday, pleading that he end bloodshed and open the path to political reforms.
Instead of a halt in operations in the days that have followed, "they have intensified," said Davutoglu, who condemned the violence in Latakia a day after gunboats pounded the port.
"We are calling once again on the Syrian administration to end the bloodshed immediately...these operations can in no way be justified," Davutoglu said.
Ankara, whose ties with Damascus have flourished in recent years, has repeatedly called on Assad to initiate reforms but has stopped short of calling for his departure.
The Syrian regime has sought to crush weeks of protests with brutal force, killing more than 1,600 civilians and arresting at least 12,000 of dissenters, rights activists say.
(END) Dow Jones Newswires
August 15, 2011 13:47 ET (17:47 GMT)
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[TW]Fox;19749803 said:
We can't wade into Syria as we don't have the resources.

If Syria had kicked off like this before Libya, we would be there instead.
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no we wouldnt because they can kick our arse the world is like playground bullies if a country can fight back they can do whatever they like.

if a country cant fight back they do what they are told or regime change
 
[TW]Fox;19749803 said:
We can't wade into Syria as we don't have the resources.

If Syria had kicked off like this before Libya, we would be there instead.
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Probably not. There is a huge difference. Libya has a very weak armed forces due to decades of sanctions and Gaddafi making sure that they could not challenge his rule directly. The Libya air force and air defence force is ancient. It was barely adequate in the 1980s when it had reasonably modern equipment and even Chad beat them with less resources.

Syria,OTH is much better armed and most of the military seems loyal to the chaps in charge. They also have the direct support of the Russians who are modernising a naval base so they can host their ships on visits.

On top of this, invading Syria would probably bring Iran into the fray and lead to all out war in the middle east. If anything supposedly even Israel does not want Syria to be invaded. They know what to expect from the current Syrian government but not a load of Islamists for example who would pose a bigger threat to them.
 
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[TW]Fox;19749803 said:
We can't wade into Syria as we don't have the resources.

If Syria had kicked off like this before Libya, we would be there instead.
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The west and especially the UK had an axe to grind with Gadaffi already so I'm not too sure.
 
gettothechopper said:
seems like the rebels have nearly got trippoli surrounded, hope they do the right thing and just put pressure on Gadaf to bugger off rather than go in guns blazing
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Doubt that's on the cards TBH

Ironically this is a complete reversal of the position Libya was in when we got involved (Gaddafi had the rebel capitol surrounded ready for the kill) it will be interesting to see if our "intervention on humanitarian grounds to save civilians" works both ways
 
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