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[e36Adz]

That I'm afraid is not true. There are contingencies for just about every eventuality, including removing an Israeli Govt by force.

You are letting your bias cloud your judgement a little.

There may well be, but it makes no difference because imo it will never happen. I may be wrong.

Yes well when you are using vague religious horoscopes to judge things that are likely to happen anyway then they will always come to fruition

'Likely to happen anyway' now is it? haha nice try but you don't fool anyone. When I originally posted I am sure it was you saying it was all nonsense, now that some of it has happened you have changed your tune too 'it was likely to happen anyway'.

You really need to get a grip. We like I said before we have plans for everything even such things as military attack against Germany and France.

And Israel? Well, let's just wait and see eh?

The fact such the heads of Shin Bet and Mossad are making such comments is doing something you muppet as they are political positions.

Yet while they say one thing, they do the exact opposite. They talk peace on one hand while doing killings on the other. They make war by deception and you want to sit and listen to what they say? What are you smoking?

Oh yes the US is really on its knees as the worlds largest economy presiding over the worlds only superpower military.

Don't get me wrong, they will replace it with another fraudulent currency but the US Dollar doesn't have very long left. Keep saving all your paper money though if you have faith in it, I suppose it will always be handy if you need wallpaper. I will pull up some of your comments again in due course to see what you have to say then, but I don't want to hear 'it was likely to happen' again.

 

[Amp34]

Mecca and oil, two things that give Saudi great power in the region.

but one thing I wondered is many of the middle eastern countries dislike Saudi Arabia because of their ties to the west, yet equally can't attack them as any attack would be seen as an attack on Mecca and the rest of the countries would retaliate/saudi's considerable western equipped armies would.

So say Iran develops nukes, and short range missiles that basically mean in the region aside from Israel they're untouchable, if they then decided they were going to have a pop at saudi to reduce the west influence in the area/take mecca/oil resources. the fact they have nukes means their neighbours sure wont fight back, but they can't be seen as being afraid, which leaves them with the only option of siding with Iran (if only in words) as the righteous Muslims liberating Mecca from the corrupt.


would be an interesting development.

You're forgetting the whole Arab/Persian thing there...

Uh... the Libyan people rose up and kicked Gaddafi out. Hence on average, they do not support him. Seems pretty obvious to me.

Yeah I believe the Syrians do need help. Thing is, there is no international support so there's nothing we can do. The reason the Libya intervention was possible was because of the near-universal support for it.

Wait! What? You seem to be watching a different Libyan war to me. Some Libyan people rose up and were going to be soundly trounced by gaddafi and his supporters if it wasn't for the NATO bombing campaign that wasn't supposed to take sides.

it was a civil war portrayed as an uprising of the whole country by western governments and media. It was a bit like saying the war of the roses occurred due to ridding a nation of tyranny... On average one side of the country supported him and the other didnt...

As women's rights have come into this thread I for one feel very sorry for the Libyan women now. Their life is going to change in short order, for the worse...

 

[Xordium]

'Likely to happen anyway' now is it? haha nice try but you don't fool anyone.

No, actually I have said all along that saying there will be conflict in the middle east is not prophetic it's bloody obvious.

 

[e36Adz]

No, actually I have said all along that saying there will be conflict in the middle east is not prophetic it's bloody obvious.

Let me remind you what I said.

1) Pakistan being the only Muslim country with nuclear capabilities will have to be dealt with at some point as it poses some threat to Israel. That threat must be dealt with, hence why we have been hearing a lot about Pakistan in the media over the past few years.

2) We may see uprisings in Middle Eastern countries and leaders being overthrown. This will then allow the 'powers that be' to push for a war in the Middle East to crush Israels enemies under the pretence that nuclear weapons have fallen into the hands of terrorists. In actual fact the whole thing was orchestrated and a lie.

3) An event which may coincide with the war in the Middle East is the collapse of the US dollar which is entirely fraudulent. You have a people who assign an artificial value to worthless paper and then print as much as they want, so they can essentially pull wealth out of thin air. It will all collapse and be replaced by something equally if not more fraudulent.

4) The long term plan has been to establish Israel as the ruling power in the World, once again as before in history. This is my personal view. Israel didn't even exist 100 years ago, but look where we are now. They have already shown they answer to no one, they can continue to violate international law, America continues to maintain and protect Israel and arm it to the teeth and you have comments such as 'We the Jewish People control America and the Americans know it' from the likes of Ariel Sharon.

Nice try again though, but thanks for giving me the opportunity to re-iterate my points because they seem to be becoming more and more relevant. Yes of course I might be wrong in how the long term goal is established, but I firmly believe the long term goal is what I stated, which others can't see happening and they have given their reasons why. But when I speak of Israel I do so believing it has the full backing of America and Great Britain, which even many American and British people are completely mystified by.

 

[RDM]

4) The long term plan has been to establish Israel as the ruling power in the World, once again as before in history.

When exactly in history was Israel the ruling power in the world?

 

[e36Adz]

When exactly in history was Israel the ruling power in the world?

During the time of Prophet Solomon PBUH. The difference being that he upheld Gods laws, and was righteous in his conduct whereas the current rulers of Jerusalem have violated Gods laws and are corrupt and wicked. It is down to the utter spiritual blindness of 'some' Christians and Jews, that they have allowed themselves to be deceived by this Israel which is an imposter. I know you are not a religious person but the fact that the Jewish people are still waiting for their Messiah is of massive importance in all these events that are occurring.

 

[Jay794]

Nuke it, get it over with

 

[Xordium]

Let me remind you what I said.

1) Pakistan being the only Muslim country with nuclear capabilities will have to be dealt with at some point as it poses some threat to Israel. That threat must be dealt with, hence why we have been hearing a lot about Pakistan in the media over the past few years.

2) We may see uprisings in Middle Eastern countries and leaders being overthrown. This will then allow the 'powers that be' to push for a war in the Middle East to crush Israels enemies under the pretence that nuclear weapons have fallen into the hands of terrorists. In actual fact the whole thing was orchestrated and a lie.

3) An event which may coincide with the war in the Middle East is the collapse of the US dollar which is entirely fraudulent. You have a people who assign an artificial value to worthless paper and then print as much as they want, so they can essentially pull wealth out of thin air. It will all collapse and be replaced by something equally if not more fraudulent.

4) The long term plan has been to establish Israel as the ruling power in the World, once again as before in history. This is my personal view. Israel didn't even exist 100 years ago, but look where we are now. They have already shown they answer to no one, they can continue to violate international law, America continues to maintain and protect Israel and arm it to the teeth and you have comments such as 'We the Jewish People control America and the Americans know it' from the likes of Ariel Sharon.

Nice try again though, but thanks for giving me the opportunity to re-iterate my points because they seem to be becoming more and more relevant. Yes of course I might be wrong in how the long term goal is established, but I firmly believe the long term goal is what I stated, which others can't see happening and they have given their reasons why. But when I speak of Israel I do so believing it has the full backing of America and Great Britain, which even many American and British people are completely mystified by.

Ok I understand now sorry I think I may have misunderstood you all along. What you are saying is that some statistically likely things (from a historical perspective) may well then repeat themselves again as they have repeatedly before and that those statistically likely events will then prove some vague prophecy that does not name these events, name where they occur exactly, name the timing of their occurrence or name any of the key players and all that will then validate the mumbo-jumbo.

Well if we can do that then I'm going for this:

Man will go forth towards the stars and in that great expanse find both pain and riches

There you go when that comes to fruition I want everyone to follow my lead by rejecting mystical rubbish and aiding it to come to fruition, practice a good life and caring for their fellow man and utter the immortal mantra "**** on the Villa, **** on the Villa tonight".

 

[cosmos55]

"Iran is China's third-largest crude supplier, shipping around 540,000 barrels per day"

Could be interesting.

 

[RDM]

During the time of Prophet Solomon PBUH.

So you are looking at around the 10th Century BC(E)? Bearing in mind that Solomon may not even have existed, what makes you think that Israel was the ruling world power at that time? It didn't hold any other nations as vassal states and was considerably weaker than Assyria, Egypt and China.

Israel has never ruled the world so the chances of it ruling it "again" are pretty much non-existent.

 

[e36Adz]

Ok I understand now sorry I think I may have misunderstood you all along. What you are saying is that some statistically likely things (from a historical perspective) may well then repeat themselves again as they have repeatedly before and that those statistically likely events will then prove some vague prophecy that does not name these events, name where they occur exactly, name the timing of their occurrence or name any of the key players and all that will then validate the mumbo-jumbo.

It may well indeed be mumbo jumbo to you. If it is also 'statistically likely' as you now conveniently put it, it seems you concede it may happen but it is obvious you can never accept the reasons behind why it would happen so now you have taken a different slant to your argument. You can try and call it vague prophecy to deter people but there is a lot of tangible prophecy there too. I am sure you have studied the Hadith in-depth to know that though.

 

[e36Adz]

So you are looking at around the 10th Century BC(E)? Bearing in mind that Solomon may not even have existed, what makes you think that Israel was the ruling world power at that time? It didn't hold any other nations as vassal states and was considerably weaker than Assyria, Egypt and China.

Israel has never ruled the world so the chances of it ruling it "again" are pretty much non-existent.

At that point in time the World was obviously a completely difference place in terms of warfare. By being the ruling state in the World at that time, I mean it was able to impose it's will on other nations. The Quran and Hadith are sufficient enough evidence for me to suggest that Solomon PBUH (and the other prophets) did exist and Solomons army is not one that we will ever see again in history either. Under his rule, power was firmly established in the Holy Land. It will return there again and the Hadith of the prophet PBUH will be fulfilled even though the enemies of Islam are biting their finger-tips in frustration and rage.

Prophets David and Solomon PBUT never waged war the Israeli way, with a barbarian ethical code of warfare which permits the indiscriminate bombing and destruction of entire civilian populations, men, women and children in their homes, villages, as well as the destruction of civilian airports, roads, bridges, electricity power plants, water works, etc, and the displacement of almost half the population of a country as refugees fleeing for their lives.

 

[Muzy]

WW3 here we come sigh.....

This,

Only crazy people would think of another war.

 

[RDM]

At that point in time the World was obviously a completely difference place in terms of warfare. By being the ruling state in the World at that time, I mean it was able to impose it's will on other nations. The Quran and Hadith are sufficient enough evidence for me to suggest that Solomon PBUH (and the other prophets) did exist and Solomons army is not one that we will ever see again in history either. Under his rule, power was firmly established in the Holy Land. It will return there again and the Hadith of the prophet PBUH will be fulfilled even though the enemies of Islam are biting their finger-tips in frustration and rage.

Prophets David and Solomon PBUT never waged war the Israeli way, with a barbarian ethical code of warfare which permits the indiscriminate bombing and destruction of entire civilian populations, men, women and children in their homes, villages, as well as the destruction of civilian airports, roads, bridges, electricity power plants, water works, etc, and the displacement of almost half the population of a country as refugees fleeing for their lives.

But you are wrong. Israel wasn't able to assert its influence on its neighbours, never mind the wider world. You are also making the common mistake of putting greater importance on your part of the world. China was arguably a much greater power but geographically distant from where you are interested in so you dismiss it as unimportant. Israel never ruled the world and has only very rarely been all that important on a world wide stage. You have to pretty much ignore or significantly alter history for your assertion that Israel ever ruled the world.

 

[lemonkettaz]

lets get some!

 

[e36Adz]

But you are wrong. Israel wasn't able to assert its influence on its neighbours, never mind the wider world. You are also making the common mistake of putting greater importance on your part of the world. China was arguably a much greater power but geographically distant from where you are interested in so you dismiss it as unimportant. Israel never ruled the world and has only very rarely been all that important on a world wide stage. You have to pretty much ignore or significantly alter history for your assertion that Israel ever ruled the world.

You assumed in your previous post that Soloman PBUH probably never even existed and now you are assuming that China was a great superpower at this time. Which history books are you following then?

 

[RDM]

Which ones are you using if they tell you Israel ruled the world? I never said China were a superpower, but they were certainly more powerful than Israel.

 

[e36Adz]

Which ones are you using if they tell you Israel ruled the world? I never said China were a superpower, but they were certainly more powerful than Israel.

I take it by directing the question back at me, you simply assumed China's status and Solomans non existence, just for the sake of arguing against religion?

 

[lemonkettaz]

The whole middle east need a war to see who wins overall and then they need a war with us to see who wins overall and then it can truly be east vs west.. whoever wins will live in peace.. for a small while.

lets have a war that we can win to bring a bit of good feeling back to the country.

or lets all pay bills and watch x factor and eat our food from tesco

 

[RDM]

I take it by directing the question back at me, you simply assumed China's status and Solomans non existence, just for the sake of arguing against religion?

Not at all, I directed it back at you because listing a couple of history books* would be somewhat pointless, would you care or read them? Effectively the only place Solomon is mentioned is the Torah, it is quite possible that he is a mythical figure rather than someone who actually lived. That is not to say he didn't exist, but there is nothing to cooberate his existence. I am not even arguing against religion, I am arguing against your idea of history. You effectively distort it to make it fit your religious views.

*P.Ebrey (2010) The Cambridge Illustrated History of China, Cambridge University Press