Dell Ultrasharp U3011 or Hazro HZ30Wie 10-Bit
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The contrast ratio in a PVA screen does not matter. Why? Because at those sizes, the contrast shift destroys the ratio around the border of the monitor. There's a reason why IPS is still preferred, even with it's vastly inferior contrast ratio.
What would probably bug you more would be the different pixel pitch affects dragging windows across an extended desktop. I know it gets to me when I try to drag a window from my u2711 to my 24in 1080p. I constantly hit an invisible wall, and the windows jump height as they cross over. Not a deal breaker, but I do wish there was some way to compensate
Sorry but this is simply not true at all. Stating the "contrast on SPVA does not matter" is the most ludicrous thing I have heard all day lol.
MVA and TN screens have contrast shift but SPVA and CPVA screens do not have this at all. Also IPS screens have "IPS white glow" just to make things even worse on top of the poor black levels. (Black and dark shades have a white glow over them, especially viewed on an angle) IPS is preferred for colour accuracy for media industry etc. It is not preferred for games and films.
For the best performance you want an SPVA LCD or a Plasma screen. This way you can get excellent blacks, rich colours, decent pixel response, motion resolution etc. IPS is great for professionals working on image editing etc. but really it not great for games or films. (I own a NEC IPS monitor and an SPVA TV and a plasma so I speak from experience). IPS is prefereable to MVA and TN panels but SPVA and Plasma are the best for games and films.
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You're calling what I say ridiculous (even though I elaborated it later) and then you go on to say SPVA doesn't have contrast shift at all? Please, I have a 42" Samsung LCD and I see it clear as a day.
Considering we're talking with monitors here, IPS is still the way to go. With a TV? Sure, get SPVA. You're sitting far back enough to make it a good choice when compared with a large monitor. There is still a reason why IPS is preferred in the PC gaming side. (Or TN 120hz)
Hmm I think the reason IPS is preferred is because there are no other options... There are only a couple of VA monitors and they are not very good and then the only other option is TN panels which are worse.
So I guess you are right... In the field of PC monitors then IPS is the only good option available at present. When I was suggesting SPVA I was thinking maybe he could buy a 32" SPVA TV instead of a 30" IPS.
I have never used a PVA monitor but I have used Sony and Samsung SPVA TV's from 2011 and noticed no contrast shift at all. On MVA screens I noticed bad contrast shift and on newer IPS screens without polarizer I notice bad IPS white glow. Maybe this is something that has improved in the recent screens from Sony/Samsung SPVA because the 2011 models seem good in this area.
So I guess you are right... In the field of PC monitors then IPS is the only good option available at present. When I was suggesting SPVA I was thinking maybe he could buy a 32" SPVA TV instead of a 30" IPS.
I have never used a PVA monitor but I have used Sony and Samsung SPVA TV's from 2011 and noticed no contrast shift at all. On MVA screens I noticed bad contrast shift and on newer IPS screens without polarizer I notice bad IPS white glow. Maybe this is something that has improved in the recent screens from Sony/Samsung SPVA because the 2011 models seem good in this area.
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Why would anyone do that?
The entire reason to buy a 30" PC monitor is to receive a resolution of 2560x1600
Best TV you can get in that size would be 1920x1080... a massive reduction in screen real estate.
He said for a gaming screen so I assumed he meant he wanted a screen for gaming to go with his current monitor for PC use such as web broswing etc.
If he wants an all round screen for use with gaming as well as windows use then yes an IPS monitor is about the best/only option available currently.
I use my IPS monitor for general PC use and my SPVA TV for gaming and I find the TV is better than the monitor for gaming for the reasons I mentioned before eg. Size, contrast ratio, blacks etc.
If he wants an all round screen for use with gaming as well as windows use then yes an IPS monitor is about the best/only option available currently.
I use my IPS monitor for general PC use and my SPVA TV for gaming and I find the TV is better than the monitor for gaming for the reasons I mentioned before eg. Size, contrast ratio, blacks etc.
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No... A good IPS screen is good for gaming... The input lag and pixel response is good. TN is the fastest but worst image quality, IPS is next fastest/good image quality, SPVA is slightly slower than IPS for pixel response but much better constrast and blacks....
Ideally you would want an SPVA or Plasma screen for the best contrast and black levels but there are hardly any available for PC and none of them are very suitable for gaming really. Your best options that are available would be an IPS PC monitor (all round PC usage) or a SPVA / plasma TV. (films and gaming only).
Other than this you could wait a few years and get an OLED monitor which will have the contrast of SPVA/plasma combined with the speed of IPS/TN.
You have to decide what you want to use it for and which things are most important to you... Do you play fast paced competitive FPS games?
TN = not great image quality, fast response/input lag, bad everything else.
IPS = Good colour accuracy, input lag, pixel response, viewing angles Bad contrast.
SPVA = Excellent contrast and black levels, Good colour, input lag, medium viewing angles mediocre pixel response.. Poor availability / price.
Ideally you would want an SPVA or Plasma screen for the best contrast and black levels but there are hardly any available for PC and none of them are very suitable for gaming really. Your best options that are available would be an IPS PC monitor (all round PC usage) or a SPVA / plasma TV. (films and gaming only).
Other than this you could wait a few years and get an OLED monitor which will have the contrast of SPVA/plasma combined with the speed of IPS/TN.
You have to decide what you want to use it for and which things are most important to you... Do you play fast paced competitive FPS games?
TN = not great image quality, fast response/input lag, bad everything else.
IPS = Good colour accuracy, input lag, pixel response, viewing angles Bad contrast.
SPVA = Excellent contrast and black levels, Good colour, input lag, medium viewing angles mediocre pixel response.. Poor availability / price.
I don't play much right now but I have played CoD and Unreal Tournament quite a bit but mainly single player games.
I've been looking at the U2412M Dell monitor but reviews say they're not good for gaming but then again on other forums some owners haven't complained about it when gaming.
If you read my summary it says what the good/bad points of different screen types are... You have to weigh up what you want and then decide...
TN = not great image quality, fast response/input lag, bad everything else.
IPS = Good colour accuracy, input lag, pixel response, viewing angles Bad contrast.
SPVA = Excellent contrast and black levels, Good colour, input lag, medium viewing angles mediocre pixel response.. Poor availability / price.
From what is available currently on the market your best bet would be
a) An IPS PC monitor such as Hazro, NEC etc.
b) A TV which you use for gaming SPVA such as Sony/Samsung or a Plasma TV.
You need to decide what you want. A dedicated gaming screen? Or an all round monitor/gaming cscreen?
TN = not great image quality, fast response/input lag, bad everything else.
IPS = Good colour accuracy, input lag, pixel response, viewing angles Bad contrast.
SPVA = Excellent contrast and black levels, Good colour, input lag, medium viewing angles mediocre pixel response.. Poor availability / price.
From what is available currently on the market your best bet would be
a) An IPS PC monitor such as Hazro, NEC etc.
b) A TV which you use for gaming SPVA such as Sony/Samsung or a Plasma TV.
You need to decide what you want. A dedicated gaming screen? Or an all round monitor/gaming cscreen?
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I read your summary, I thought you wanted those questions answering
All round monitor is what I'm after, I've never been too fussy about 'gaming' hardware. When I do play FPS games it's with your standard usb mouse nothing special so I guess I won't notice any difference (in terms of ghosting) on an IPS.
Thanks for your help.