Denuvo, cracked within a day... again!

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I'm in no way condoning piracy of games or anything else and don't want this to descend into a debate regarding the morality of piracy etc but I am curious, why do developers keep shelling out for expensive protection that doesn't work?

I keep seeing PC gamer articles about how this, that and the other brand new game has been cracked in little to no time at all and people arguing about why people pirate or not. The general consensus being Piracy is bad or good and the devs lose or make too much money depending on which side of the fence you sit.

Surely though devs must realise that sooner rather than later protection is going to be cracked and people will be getting their games for free, thus losing a smallish portion of sales. So why bother?

I personally have downloaded cracked games in the past but purely because of the ridiculous price attached to certain games whilst I was on benefits. I'm sure outside of the few people who love the challenge of cracking protection software that most people who choose to pirate games do so because of of the often extortionate prices.

Would it not be better for devs to charge maybe £25 for a new game instead of £39.99 or £49.99 etc?
 
The prices really aren't that extortionate. You used to pay sometimes twice what the average rrp is nowadays, and that was without the torrent of pre release information that's available now.

If you can't afford a game at the time, save for it and spend that checking out reviews etc to help you decide whether it's really what you want. It's sort of as simple as that imo.

As to the whether they should spend cash preventing early cracks, they must be making that money back in some way else why would they still do it? The first day or two of sales is always the most important.
 
MooMoo444 said:
New games are about £20-25 if you don't buy through steam. Steam is overpriced.
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Pricing, even through key sellers is rising, especially for AAA games from the big publishers. They charge the same price for PC versions as console and then take the extra due to no licensing to Sony/MS. You won't find, say, Battlefront 2 for less than £30 on a key site, maybe even closer to £40. Cheapest I found Shadow of War was about £28 with an extra bonus.
 
Honestly, until steam did refunds, and still sometimes now, I torrent games, because I've lost so much money on broken games. Battlefield 4, most of the Batman games still don't run/save properly, just to name a few.

If the torrented game works well, I'll buy it. Did the same with fallout 4, and I've since bought the season pass for it too.

I saw an article recently on how piracy improves sales - I'll see if I can find it
 
No excuse for piracy at all. It's just greed and people's desire to have ALL the latest games.

It baffles me anyway. I've totally stopped buying games on launch day unless it's a big multiplayer game and ALL of my friends are going to be buying it too.

I can buy games like Mad Max and Shadow of Mordor on Steam, that I still haven't played yet, for under £5 each.

There are plenty of games that might have passed you by that you can pick up for less than the price of a rental.

I still haven't finished the last Batman Arkham Doodah game that I bought for buttons and that was GOTY Edition, feature complete and all bugs squashed.

Each to their own I guess
 
kindai said:
This would be the case if large publishers weren't releasing AAA title games, which are barely out of beta quality stage.
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Gamers are stupid.

If other products were released in an unfinished state there'd be recalls, it'd be all over the news.

Gamers just buy them anyway and have a moan on the internet, then they buy the next one from the same company that has a track record of releasing broken games.

Once publishers get the message that we aren't going to buy their junk then it might be the kick up the backside they need.

Won't happen though, gamers are crack addicts who will pre-order the next new shiny in the full knowledge that it will likely not work properly for a month.
 
Vidar said:
I personally have downloaded cracked games in the past but purely because of the ridiculous price attached to certain games whilst I was on benefits.
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That is alright then as you were on benefits you're allowed to steal! of course it's fine you can't be expected to be out looking for work when you have a game you have not paid for to play! don't worry about it at all us tax payers will fit the bill for you it's our pleasure, just please let us know what the game was like though as I can't really afford to buy brand new games too many bills to pay.
 
MooMoo444 said:
New games are about £20-25 if you don't buy through steam. Steam is overpriced.
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Come on now, that's simply not true is it? Steam isn't the only platform that has new releases at £39.99, and I reckon that price is set by the publisher. How much are EA games on release through Origin? Games on Battle.net? I think you'll find that they all hover around the £40 mark now. And you get far less than you used to because it's all digital now. No box, no manual etc. Games when I first started buying them could be bought through somewhere like Gameplay.com for around £26 for a new release, CD / DVD, manual and box. Then it moved to the smaller DVD cases, and now we've got mostly digital games.

A quick look at Destiny 2 on Amazon reveals that it's £45 on PS4, £42 on PC and £43 on XBox. Origin lists Star Wars Battlefront 2 for £69.99 ffs! I can't even get a price on the standard edition as it doesn't show, but I bet it'll be around £40. It seems to me that your intent here is to just bash Steam.

I don't condone piracy, game prices are high but I'm quite selective over what I buy, and I usually make a list and then wait for the sales before buying anything. I tend to avoid most key sites, the only one I trust is cdkeys.com. But this pointless copy protection doesn't do much for the industry, it just gets in the way for those that have made a genuine purchase.
 
Divinious said:
That is alright then as you were on benefits you're allowed to steal! of course it's fine you can't be expected to be out looking for work when you have a game you have not paid for to play! don't worry about it at all us tax payers will fit the bill for you it's our pleasure, just please let us know what the game was like though as I can't really afford to buy brand new games too many bills to pay.
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That is a bit unfair. Maybe he had a medical issue and was unable to work? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger. That is just what the Daily Mail would like you to believe because it sells newspapers to people who can't think for themselves.
 
Publishers know Denuvo does not stop piracy; it simply buys them time:

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In some ways, though, even the arms race is going according to Denuvo’s rules. Denuvo and publishers aren’t trying to end all piracy forever. If Denuvo can protect major publishers from cracking through initial launch windows and the months immediately following, publishers will have protected their launch revenue. “We can see many posts in piracy forums like Reddit, etc. of people stating that they bought the game as no crack was available—we see this for every game we protect,” Blaukovitsch says. “This is direct and very good feedback for us and shows that we [are doing] something right.”
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http://www.pcgamer.com/the-state-of-pc-piracy-in-2016/2/
 
Cromulent said:
That is a bit unfair. Maybe he had a medical issue and was unable to work? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger. That is just what the Daily Mail would like you to believe because it sells newspapers to people who can't think for themselves.
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Yes you're right not everyone on benefits is a scrounger, I apologise he is however still a thief.
Funny that you pick up someone making an assumption as being unfair, by making an assumption yourself about their reading habits!
 
Cromulent said:
That is a bit unfair. Maybe he had a medical issue and was unable to work? Not everyone on benefits is a scrounger. That is just what the Daily Mail would like you to believe because it sells newspapers to people who can't think for themselves.
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Thank you mate, I actually received a diagnosis of treatment resistant clinical depression and was often fighting against slipping into be suicidal for quite some time.

Well Divinious I'm not going to argue I did pirate a game a few years ago, please feel more than free to report me to the police for it after all I committed a terrible crime, even though I did end up buying it in the end so I could get the DLC etc.

I trust you're very comfortable upon that morally superior high horse of yours...
 
Divinious said:
Yes you're right not everyone on benefits is a scrounger, I apologise he is however still a thief.
Funny that you pick up someone making an assumption as being unfair, by making an assumption yourself about their reading habits!
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Copyright infringement not theft at least get it right :rolleyes:
 
Call it whatever you like its still someone who feels entitled to something that they can't pay for taking it illegally.
Sorry to hear you where suffering from depression I hope you recover fully and can resume your life to its full extent, no malice from me to you personally but I still can't agree with your actions at the time.
 
I'd be more supportive of DRM if publishers relaxed the limitations somewhat after the game has been out awhile, etc. - still many games which have like 4 activation limit and it doesn't even reset yearly or something like that so if you are a few PC builds down the line (and despite claims otherwise sometimes even a GPU upgrade will use up an activation) you can end up unable to activate the game and/or the activation no longer works on older games where the publisher/developer has gone out of business or been aquired, etc.
 
Divinious said:
Yes you're right not everyone on benefits is a scrounger, I apologise he is however still a thief.
Funny that you pick up someone making an assumption as being unfair, by making an assumption yourself about their reading habits!
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Apologies. I shouldn't have mentioned the Daily Mail but you have to admit that the majority of people who complain about benefits are on the right of the political spectrum and that is prime territory for the Daily Mail.
 
Divinious said:
Call it whatever you like its still someone who feels entitled to something that they can't pay for taking it illegally.
Sorry to hear you where suffering from depression I hope you recover fully and can resume your life to its full extent, no malice from me to you personally but I still can't agree with your actions at the time.
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Do you mind if i ask , are you a traffic warden by any chance ?
 
Cromulent said:
Apologies. I shouldn't have mentioned the Daily Mail but you have to admit that the majority of people who complain about benefits are on the right of the political spectrum and that is prime territory for the Daily Mail.
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No worries Crom obviously a subject that is derisive, I could probably have put it in a less inflammatory way.
 
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