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can someone tell me what it feels liek to be properly depressed,not just fed up with it all? or is that depressed?

depressed with what the way life has dealt you a duff hand or depressed just mr Negative Jack dee x 100 cos im jack dee x 100 but i dont really wanna end it all ?? I dont get it...

I would class it as a form of insanity, so it's difficult for a sane person to understand it. It's far from rational.

Random example from my own experiences:

I wanted a cup of tea and after a while gathered together enough energy to haul myself downstairs to make one. There weren't any clean mugs (because I hadn't had enough energy to care enough to wash up). The lack of a clean mug was a crushing obstacle far beyond my ability to deal with it and I just slumped against a wall in despair. It was morning when that happened. It was dark when I got up. I don't know how long I was there.

That doesn't make any sense, but it's how it was.

I've tried to come up with something to convey an impression of what it's like. This is the best I can come up with:

Imagine you're walking down an alley. On either side, rising far above you, are featureless walls. They are grey. Dirty. Slimy. So is the surface you're walking on. So is the thin bit of sky you can see far above you. It's raining. It's always raining. Not heavy rain, just cold drizzle. Even the weather doesn't care enough for anything more energetic than that. You've always been walking down this alleyway. It's always been the same. It always will be the same. There is nothing else and never will be. Some day, you will die and rot unnoticed in the rain on the dirty grey ground in the dirty grey alleyway. It doesn't matter.


I'm still scared of it.
 
Sounds like a growing up emotional break down to me. :p

Depression doesn't like 3-5 days.

Yeah depression is an illness that develops over a relatively long period of time. It doesn't have a specific start and end date. People don't develop depression and overcome it in the space of a week.

I think that would be better described as an intense period of sadness which I assume was triggered by a specific upsetting event.
 
For me it is having almost no "real" emotion other than a severe burning hatred of one's self and of life in general.

but you dont act on it ? its just normal to feel like it? i mean can you go bout the "normal" day or you just wallow in self pity? Not mocking you just trying to emphasize as best i can. What triggered it? can you think of a single event?
 
can someone tell me what it feels liek to be properly depressed,not just fed up with it all? or is that depressed?

This video is an excellent overview of our current understanding of depression.

 
I've had it. Three key things, as well as several others, that really help are : exercise, a decent amount of sleep and B12 - preferably in food form rather than in supplements, unless it's the active form such as methylcobalamin. Though even then, getting it in my diet is the main priority, anything else is the cherry on the cake.

Actually, I should have thrown in EFA's - essential fatty acids such as Omega 3 (fish oil), works a treat as well.
 
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You sound Knowledgeable Kylew :P how do they test for it then is there a chemical marker they can just find in your blood? Or is it a case of if you answer 20 questions and 15 of them are in a certain way you pass the threshold for it ?

How hard would it be to lie to convince someone you were depressed? What are the key signs i should look for in someone thats properly depressed not just pee' off?

soz if i keep asking the same things, i really should go to sleep v. tired.

I don't really know too much about it to be honest, I just know what it isn't if you get what I mean?

I'm not quite sure how they test for it, I wouldn't trust online questionnaires though, they seem somewhat trivial and I think people taking them will find they're easily biased in to answering questions that obviously point to the answer they want.

Completely objective answers would likely just indicate you could do with getting a proper professional opinion on it. I'd imagine a professional wouldn't ask you loaded questions such as "Do you feel like life isn't living" or "do you feel sad a lot?"

I'm just guessing though really, but I think I've got an understanding insight in to it. It's a bit like what Anglion said, though I wouldn't call it insanity, but I think it's clearly a case of irrational thought processes and how you cope or react to it rather than feeling angry or sad or something.

I suppose you could look at it like trying to understand a language where you've got no reference points to relate to, it's nonsensical to you and very difficult to relate to. That's of course depending on the severity of it though.
 
but you dont act on it ? its just normal to feel like it? i mean can you go bout the "normal" day or you just wallow in self pity? Not mocking you just trying to emphasize as best i can. What triggered it? can you think of a single event?

I suppose the way I act on it are the self destructive behaviors such as the SH and more recently the drinking that I mentioned earlier. Going "Further" is an often thought but as sad/scary/pathetic (delete as necessary) as it sounds, I've had to real with thoughts for so long they don't bother me nearly as much as they should.

I've never stopped functioning superficially but that doesn't mean that I'm not wallowing in self pity. It (as in "life") is almost constantly going through my head and I cannot enjoy the rare moments when I am not thinking about it because the second I realize that I might actually be vaguely coping with my life thoughts come flooding back and we are back to stage one.

What triggered it? I can't really say. My SH tenancies can be traced back to when I was about 4 when I'd repeatedly bang my head against a brick wall when my parents got handy with each other. More recently in my teens I had to deal with being bullied and generally a little bit weird :p. I genuinely don't think about that stuff at all consciously. My gripe is "I hate life and it seems horribly pointless, dark and lonely", not "I hate life and it seems horribly pointless, dark and lonely because my parents fought with each other and I was bullied at school" but I'm sure it had some sort of effect under the surface.
 
I feel really down at the moment and that everything in life is going to hell but I know I will get over it,

I can fix things if I try hard enough
 
I don't really know too much about it to be honest, I just know what it isn't if you get what I mean?

Your replies in this thread have totally baffled me. There's been some people in here talking about personal experiences in relation to the subject (Angilion's post was fantastic imo), whereas all you've done is riddle off Googlebait.

You admit that you're not a professional or an expert, so what qualifies you to be able to come in here and tell people that they have or haven't had depression? You haven't even alluded to the fact that you've even experienced it yourself.
 
I've had it and it's such a hole to be in :(

To be honest, i don't think i could ever generally explain how it felt, in fact i don't think anyone could. To me, it just felt like i was in a massive hole and just couldn't get out. Everything i did turned out to be wrong, everyone was against me. But with the right people/medication/support you can overcome it.

As far as i'm aware, depression can take many forms and affects people in different ways. No two cases are the same. Hope your all good OP, is best to catch things like this early :)
 
I wanted a cup of tea and after a while gathered together enough energy to haul myself downstairs to make one. There weren't any clean mugs (because I hadn't had enough energy to care enough to wash up). The lack of a clean mug was a crushing obstacle far beyond my ability to deal with it and I just slumped against a wall in despair. It was morning when that happened. It was dark when I got up. I don't know how long I was there.

This actually hit me hard mate :(

I had something along the same lines. Everyday, mundane tasks become some of the most difficult to overcome.
 
Your replies in this thread have totally baffled me. There's been some people in here talking about personal experiences in relation to the subject (Angilion's post was fantastic imo), whereas all you've done is riddle off Googlebait.

You admit that you're not a professional or an expert, so what qualifies you to be able to come in here and tell people that they have or haven't had depression? You haven't even alluded to the fact that you've even experienced it yourself.

Googlebait? I haven't googled anything about. Calm yourself down and stop windmilling, this is a discussion forum. I'm not telling people they're not depressed at all, maybe if you read my post properly you'd realise that?

With respect to Anuraj, depression isn't something that hits you for 3-5 days like the way he described. I'm not saying what he felt wasn't real or bad, but it's not depression. Do you feel like I'm taking away from the importance by saying it's not depression?

I've also not said if anyone *does* have depression so I'm not sure where you got that from. Since you thought so highly of Angilion's post, shouldn't you be able to understand what I've been saying? People claiming to be feeling "a bit depressed" must be quite insulting to people like him who've went through that, no? Yet you felt the need to call me out, it doesn't even seem like you've understood what I've said either.

I didn't realise I needed to verify my opinions by saying "I've suffered from depression, so I'm right, or allude to anything to discuss it. Whether I've suffered from depression or not is completely irrelevant to what people like Efour have asked. Are you upset because you feel that feeling a bit sad is being depressed or something? I really don't get the hostility in your post.
 
just my experience - your mileage may vary

Yeah depression is an illness that develops over a relatively long period of time. It doesn't have a specific start and end date. People don't develop depression and overcome it in the space of a week.

I think that would be better described as an intense period of sadness which I assume was triggered by a specific upsetting event.

That's a fair assessment.

For 'normal' people (and I use this term subjectively to describe the majority who do not suffer a clinical illness) there are many every day things that happen in life that can trigger lengthy periods of negative though patterns - bereavement/grief, radical change beyond your control, particularly in personal interactions, though not limited to those by any means. One could consider these as largely environmental influences.

Clinical depression, whilst maintaining the appearance of some of these environmental factors, is generally much deeper rooted in the mind of the sufferer, chemical imbalance in the brain, irrational behaviour and thought on a level far beyond merely struggling with normalcy.
Angilion said it:
I would class it as a form of insanity, so it's difficult for a sane person to understand it. It's far from rational.

The difficulty is correctly assessing which is which and knowing how to deal with it.

For most people dealing with emotional and psychological stress in every day life is something we generally do without thinking about it. Typical self help is mostly common sense. Example: exercise and healthy eating, activities that engage you socially with others, things you like doing that give you a sense of achievement and satisfaction. All these things are a form of cognitive behavioural therapy (CBT) and we train our minds to certain ends and goals and resilience, without realising we are doing it.

My take on all of this is that I fell into the bereavement/radical change category; sudden and drastic separation from a loved one 18 months (ish) ago has had a profound effect on the way I view the world and my place in it. Which is to be expected. I'm not as social as I used to be, nor as forgiving. But I have goals and interests of my own that I have used to train my thinking away from questions to which there are no satisfactory answers.
In short, I recognised there was a problem and the probable cause and made a choice to do something about it. This does not change what has already happened, but it makes for living with it a little easier for all that. The point is I want to change.

The person I was referring to in my earlier post suffers a clinical depression. An almost total inability to deal with the commonplace, at times, and a will to deny it was happening - because if you refuse to believe it is happening to you, thereby not admitting that there's a problem, then there isn't one... you see the logic of it and it is very hard to reach someone who thinks like that.

It is something that will stay with me for a long time, experiencing the dissolution that comes with such an illness, watching a person change and being able to do nothing about it. It may sound fanciful, but what I say is absolutely true: I could see the eyes change; a sort of hardness (I don't know how else to describe it) that was not there a moment before, yet could disappear just as swiftly. It's an old cliché, but the eyes are the window to the soul.

The choice for me would not have been to cut myself off from all emotional contact from those who cared about me and who were willing to step up and help, but that is what I had to accept, because nothing I could say or do was enough. Ultimately I, and other family members, ceased to matter anymore.
That is a very painful thing to see in someone you love (never mind all the baggage of a relationship in there too).
I reconcile myself to the fact that there's only so much you can do to help, then you start damaging yourself. Add to that all of life's little irritations and hurdles and you have a position of stress from which you cannot extricate yourself, no matter which way you turn - this is why I commented that getting help is not just good for the sufferer (if they recognise it) but for those around them too.

Had I understood this more fully before, perhaps I would not have been as loyal as I was - I could have saved myself a lot of difficult experiences. And for this, my feelings are most certainly biased. It is difficult to let go, I'll qualify that much :p

Nothing is ever easy or fair about mental illness, be you a sufferer or someone close to a person who is.
 

I'm not sure where you got the impression I wasn't calm. The only reaction your posts invoked in my was a severe case of the rolleyes.

You're being very cavalier in dispensing wisdom on a topic you don't seem to have anything beyond lay knowledge on. Depression and mental illnesses are incredibly complex topics. How they manifest varies from person to person depending on their personality, and how someone deals with it can also depend on their personality. You'd have to be very naive to think that you can confidently call out what is and isn't depression based upon a couple of sentences (as in anuraj's case).

Unless you're some sort of expert on the topic then have the good grace not to go around pontificating as if you were one.
 
I'm not sure where you got the impression I wasn't calm. The only reaction your posts invoked in my was a severe case of the rolleyes.

You're being very cavalier in dispensing wisdom on a topic you don't seem to have anything beyond lay knowledge on. Depression and mental illnesses are incredibly complex topics. How they manifest varies from person to person depending on their personality, and how someone deals with it can also depend on their personality. You'd have to be very naive to think that you can confidently call out what is and isn't depression based upon a couple of sentences (as in anuraj's case).

Unless you're some sort of expert on the topic then have the good grace not to go around pontificating as if you were one.

But depression doesn't occur over 3-5 days then goes, it builds up over time. You can claim I'm being cavalier about it, but you're just coming across that way yourself. I'm well aware that it's complex, I also believe you've not read my posts properly either, and I don't think you are willing to. Some one dealing badly with being down or feeling sad doesn't make it depression, and I don't see you verifying your opinion by claiming to have suffered from depression.

Your only issue seems to be the fact that I've said feeling sad isn't being depressed, why do you take such issue with this? Do you consider yourself to have suffered from depression because you've felt sad or something? It doesn't take a massive insight in to a person to know if they've felt sad for 3-5 days then it's not depression, depression doesn't work like that. You're acting like I've rubbished Anuraj's problems by saying it's not depression.

The name you give something doesn't denote its importance, and whether you say it's depression or not doesn't change what happened or the effect it had, but I still think people need to stop using the term "depression" or "I feel a bit depressed today" so flippantly and interchangeably with sadness and "the blues". I think you take yourself too seriously.
 

We could do dozens of to-and-fro posts on the definition of depression and not agree, so lets save ourselves the bother. However, I would suggest to you that there might be more than one variety of depression and that the onset might also be varied.

For the record, my issue wasn't with any individual point you made about depression but rather by the surety with which you dispensed your pseudo-expertise in the thread. You've not really given any justification for why your opinion on the topic is any more valid than that of my dog (he's very clever - he barks when he wants to go outside and pee).

When I came across the post by the guy saying that you sounded knowledgable, I genuinely thought he was making fun of you (I don't know if he was), but when in your next post where you basically admit you don't really know anything about the topic, I physically cringed.

One of the things I find tragically entertaining about OcUK is when you get those relationship threads where some 15 year old kid is giving advice to a 40 year old guy who's having marriage problems. Some people just seem to think they're experts on everything, which I suspect is why this forum has a ban on giving medical advice.
 
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