Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

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Either way, the two stories I posted up above had restraint, the phrase "I can't breathe" and death. Convictions, or even prosecution? No.

This is why the trial will likely descend in to farce, people have already picked their sides and judged based on a clip from a serious of events.
 
The Running Man said:
I didnt say he did lie, I'm asking as a policeman do you simply trust everything someone says, even if they tried to fight you moments before?

I mean he says I can't breath, you ease up he jumps up and runs away/fights you again.

Are you saying this is not a possibility that could have occurred and that has occurred many times, where a suspect has been apprehended and lies about an ailment to try and escape?
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Wasn't he already handcuffed at this point?
 
It's going to be a hard if not impossible job to find 12 jurors who could try such a high profile political case fairly, especially since it's already known that a guilty on all counts verdict is demanded and expected and any other verdict will result in mass violence and some deaths.

And yes, it is a political case. Other people have died in similar circumstances and nothing much was said let alone done because it wasn't political.
 
The Running Man said:
I didnt say he did lie, I'm asking as a policeman do you simply trust everything someone says, even if they tried to fight you moments before?

I mean he says I can't breath, you ease up he jumps up and runs away/fights you again.

Are you saying this is not a possibility that could have occurred and that has occurred many times, where a suspect has been apprehended and lies about an ailment to try and escape?
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I doubt easing up on his neck a little would have ended up in disaster when there were 4 (maybe more, can't remember exactly?) officers involved in restraining him at that point.
 
The Running Man said:
Are you telling me that this person had always told the truth and had not tried to resist the police and that people do not lie when being arrested?
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No
I'm saying that in most civilised countries things like kneeling on someone's neck is not seen as a great and safe way to restrain someone, it's very dangerous and IIRC is banned in many instances for that exact reason.
IIRC even in the US it's banned in many areas but the police have got away with it because apparently if it's unsafe to do it with the knee it's unreasonable for an officer to assume that doing it with other parts of their leg is also unsafe, but then the way the US law protects police offices means that effectively they're deemed too stupid to understand what they're doing (as it's been ruled many times that unless they're trained specifically not to do something that any normal person would understand is dangerous/illegal, they're fine).

the claim that because someone can speak means they're lying is also an utter nonsense as it doesn't require much movement of air from the lungs to do so, far less than is required to support life, it only requires you be able to move what is in your larynx, which has a fraction of the volume of the lungs.
 
Terminal_Boy said:
Nope, 2nd degree murder is intentional, but not premeditated murder or causing death through reckless disregard for human life.
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I'd go for that one myself.
If he's found not guilty the rioting will be immense. Saying that, could be anyway. America's a **** hole.
 
Kenai said:
What are you thinking he died from if not an inability to breath, given you seem confident he may have lied about that?
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He had a "fatal level of fentanyl" in his system. It's not the listed cause of death, but no doubt the defence will be using that evidence.

Also, Floyd was saying he couldn't breath before he was even on the ground.
 
Angilion said:
It's going to be a hard if not impossible job to find 12 jurors who could try such a high profile political case fairly, especially since it's already known that a guilty on all counts verdict is demanded and expected and any other verdict will result in mass violence and some deaths.

And yes, it is a political case. Other people have died in similar circumstances and nothing much was said let alone done because it wasn't political.
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Exactly, Tony Timpa was killed by police in the same manner, in arguably worse circumstances but no one cared because he was white. That's white privilege for you.
 
Longbow said:
He had a "fatal level of fentanyl" in his system. It's not the listed cause of death, but no doubt the defence will be using that evidence.

Also, Floyd was saying he couldn't breath before he was even on the ground.
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It would be interesting to see what that level is.

IIRC US coroners are very, very forgiving and often quite inventive in coming up with reasons why an officer didn't in fact kill a suspect.
I think they're the only country in the world with one specific cause of death (I can't remember the exact title at the moment), which is basically "the suspect got excised and died" when in reality the cause of death is usually something like asphyxiation, and the name they use has no medical or scientific reasoning or evidence behind it, it just looks better in court.
 
Werewolf said:
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I'm saying that in most civilised countries things like kneeling on someone's neck is not seen as a great and safe way to restrain someone, it's very dangerous and IIRC is banned in many instances for that exact reason.
IIRC even in the US it's banned in many areas but the police have got away with it because apparently if it's unsafe to do it with the knee it's unreasinable for an officer to assume that doing it with other parts of their leg is also unsafe.

the claim that because someone can speak means they're lying is also an utter nonsense as it doesn't require much movement of air from the lungs to do so, far less than is required to support life, it only requires you be able to move what is in your larynx, which has a fraction of the volume of the lungs.
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Thats not the point. People are saying when the guy said I can't breathe that was a trigger.

My point is this was a multiple felon, you can't always believe every word he said. He had plenty of reason to lie.

Now as to whether the police are trained to detain a difficult subject like that is another matter.
 
Angilion said:
It's going to be a hard if not impossible job to find 12 jurors who could try such a high profile political case fairly, especially since it's already known that a guilty on all counts verdict is demanded and expected and any other verdict will result in mass violence and some deaths.

And yes, it is a political case. Other people have died in similar circumstances and nothing much was said let alone done because it wasn't political.
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If that’s the case he should be acquitted. The only valid trial is a fair trial.
 
Dis86 said:
"revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation."

https://www.npr.org/sections/live-u...positive-test-for-coronavirus?t=1615227278384

Even the Floyd family autopsy refers to asphyxia, not strangulation.
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Floyd's heart stopped while he was being restrained and that his death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression", the neck compression, aka, strangulation.

Come get in the ring with me, I’ll go knee on neck on you and you tell me whether or not you feel like you are being strangled.
 
hurfdurf said:
Floyd's heart stopped while he was being restrained and that his death was a homicide caused by "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression", the neck compression, aka, strangulation.

Come get in the ring with me, I’ll go knee on neck on you and you tell me whether or not you feel like you are being strangled.
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Hard man hurf strikes again!

There's a significant difference between strangulation and compression.
 
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