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Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)
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Jury selection was delayed today as there is an appeal at the state supreme court over whether or not a third-degree murder charge can still apply - apparently the prosecution think this is relevant re: jury selection (AFAIK this gets super tactical in the US) as I guess having this charge present gives a kind of better fall back option than manslaughter should the second-degree murder charge not stick.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56325773
BBC has this slightly wrong in the above- this has already been heard by an appeal court - it's the state supreme court they're waiting on now.
Well that isn't something that the defence are allowed to bring up at the moment, their application to mention his previous crimes - threatening a pregnant woman with a gun during a house break-in won't be something the jury can hear.
On the other hand, the prosecution present them with details of Chauvin's previous complaints and has arranged some witnesses who have had previous encounters with him - I'm assuming they're not going to be too complimentary about him - though to be fair it does seem like he's the sort of cop who should have been sacked a while ago!
They probably do but tbh.. it isn't actually all that clear that it caused the death here. I know it sounds counter-intuitive as we all saw him saying I can't breathe and the knee on the neck but he was saying that before he was even on the floor and he had a heart issue and a load of drugs in him - the problem the prosecution has is that the defence will put emphasis on that - note the medical examiner's comments from the article in the OP:
^^^ that is where the reasonable doubt comes in - they have a knee on the neck and the "I can't breathe", but the "I can't breathe" was shouted out before he was even on the ground and the drugs, heart problem, recent Covid infection etc.. mean they don't know for sure whether the knee on the neck killed him or whether his increased heart rate/panic etc.. combined with those other factors caused his death anyway.
The complication here is that it seems it is permitted in this part of the US and is featured in the training materials for this particular police force, he's following his training etc.. is what the defence will likely argue.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-56325773
BBC said:
BBC has this slightly wrong in the above- this has already been heard by an appeal court - it's the state supreme court they're waiting on now.
Well that isn't something that the defence are allowed to bring up at the moment, their application to mention his previous crimes - threatening a pregnant woman with a gun during a house break-in won't be something the jury can hear.
On the other hand, the prosecution present them with details of Chauvin's previous complaints and has arranged some witnesses who have had previous encounters with him - I'm assuming they're not going to be too complimentary about him - though to be fair it does seem like he's the sort of cop who should have been sacked a while ago!
They probably do but tbh.. it isn't actually all that clear that it caused the death here. I know it sounds counter-intuitive as we all saw him saying I can't breathe and the knee on the neck but he was saying that before he was even on the floor and he had a heart issue and a load of drugs in him - the problem the prosecution has is that the defence will put emphasis on that - note the medical examiner's comments from the article in the OP:
Washington Post said:
^^^ that is where the reasonable doubt comes in - they have a knee on the neck and the "I can't breathe", but the "I can't breathe" was shouted out before he was even on the ground and the drugs, heart problem, recent Covid infection etc.. mean they don't know for sure whether the knee on the neck killed him or whether his increased heart rate/panic etc.. combined with those other factors caused his death anyway.
The complication here is that it seems it is permitted in this part of the US and is featured in the training materials for this particular police force, he's following his training etc.. is what the defence will likely argue.
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I mean if this didn't cause outrage then we can only assume that this entire event is a racist witch hunt
What ever the outcome in court I predict plenty of fun and games, although I think he will be found guilty his apparent willingness to take a plea says his legal team are not confident.
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I mean if this didn't cause outrage then we can only assume that this entire event is a racist witch hunt
One dead white man doesn’t make the whole thing not-racist. I’m most opposed to the fact that American police seems to regularly kill people.
What is it with racists in this forum being worried about the agenda against them? We should be eradicating racism, no propping it up.
I'm not sure anyone has demonstrated that there was any racism in this incident or the other one someone has dropped in. The issue is more one of whether the police went too far or didn't do enough when the suspect had medical difficulties.
It blew up in the press as a result of perceptions of racism - the suspect happens to be black and there were three white police officers and one black police officer involved but it would be rather a lazy/flawed argument to simply claim "racism" every time a black person dies during a police encounter.
Would you believe that men are about 20 times more likely to be killed by police than a woman is in the states?
Must be that inherent pro female sexism inherent in the majority male misogynistic police forces there...hollllld on a second!
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I actually agree with that. As per my other post, I think the wider issue is wtf the police think they’re doing.
However, some people in this forum seem intent on defending racists - not necessarily in the context of George Floyd’s murder.
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One officer was of Chinese/Asian ethnicity. So 50% of the attending officers were NOT white.
But yeah its just racism...
Eh? Many more white people die than just one each year. Its only racism when it happens to black people?
It is all police brutality but the disproportionate number of black men killed is an issue that is not possible to brush under the carpet. Policing in the states has serious issues with violence and the ease with which extreme force is deployed against particularly young black men.
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But you can demonstrate exactly the same force being used by officers against white people?
I just posted a video of it.
There were no riots. No investigation even..
There should have been though, the fact that one appalling piece of police brutality is over looked when another isn’t is wrong. However you can’t avoid the growing anger in the black community about the treatment of young black men by the US police it has been growing for years and has now bubbled over. Maybe it will take years of abuse of young white males before the anger about that bubbles over although I really hope not.
The evidence is clear a significant number of American police officers resort to the use of excessive force, including the use of fire arms, tasers and over zealous physical restraint too easily and that this is disproportionately felt by young black men.
This does not mean police violence against white men doesn’t matter or should be ignored in the same way that the ‘black lives matter’ slogan doesn’t mean white lives don’t matter or that a breast cancer awareness t-shirt doesn’t mean we should ignore testicular cancer.
A white suspect is more likely to be killed than a black one...
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George is old news now, Trump has gone.
There aren't any. You're just chasing phantoms.
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it's racist to debate a topic?
Ah ok sorry didn’t realise only white people could be racist, I always thought that was a common thing racists on here likes to trot out to try and make their white selves victimised.
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