Derek Chauvin murder trial (Police officer who arrested George Floyd)

[MadMossy]

The exhaust on a ford interceptor is like 1-2ft from his face, close enough where even a short period of time will result in a large amount of carbom monoxide is absorbed into the system, and based on his overhall health, it wouldn't have taken much to affect him negatively.

The fact he was claiming he couldn't breath from the start would have only been compounded by the possible CO2 inhalation.

 

[MadMossy]

I would have thought any (competent) pathologist would have tested GF's blood/spotted signs of CO poisoning during the autopsy?

The witness on the stand, didn't do the autopsy. He's only giving his opinion on his findings as a person with 30+ years experience in the field, and having been the chief medical examiner in the states for 17 years prior to retirement.

 

[StriderX]

I know it's ridiculous, but could the prosecution try him for assisted suicide considering the drug taking?

 

[Skunkworks]

That's a new piece of evidence.

Apparently the squad car was still running during the whole indicent and with GFs prone at a street level with his face directly facing the exhaust of the squad car, carbon monoxide poisoning could have been a contributing factor in his death.

Greta enters the chat.

 

[stuman]

I know it's ridiculous, but could the prosecution try him for assisted suicide considering the drug taking?

need proof that that is what he wanted. A letter or recording etc.

 

[Minusorange]

I think most people wouldn't have even considered exhaust emissions at the time.

But now it's been suggested surely that opens for the prosecution to press for negligence ? It seems a bit of a reach though to suggest exhaust fumes contributed to his death

 

[kindai]

Damn this guy is good. The cross is going to be interesting, and I imagine very confrontational and emotional.

 

[MadMossy]

But now it's been suggested surely that opens for the prosecution to press for negligence ? It seems a bit of a reach though to suggest exhaust fumes contributed to his death

That would have to be an entirely new case as its not on the table of charges currently being contested.

 

[Minusorange]

That would have to be an entirely new case as its not on the table of charges currently being contested.

I thought Manslaughter through negligence was on the table ?

 

[banbom44]

What do you think would happen if he did not get charged with murder La riots all over again does not bare thinking about Nike's and 65 inch Tellies getting nicked left right and center shop next door that sells work boots untouched.

 

[stuman]

But now it's been suggested surely that opens for the prosecution to press for negligence ? It seems a bit of a reach though to suggest exhaust fumes contributed to his death

I would want them to show plume effects and the relation of that to where GF is. From a quick google there seems to a blank spot under the exhaust where the fumes rise due to being warm and being emitted 8” from the floor.

 

[MadMossy]

Here we go, I thought undetermined for classification of death was far more accurate than homicide.

 

[PlacidCasual]

I thought catalytic converters pretty much eliminated CO in exhaust gases and the autopsy blood work would picked up on this wouldn’t it?

 

[dowie]

Here we go, I thought undetermined for classification of death was far more accurate than homicide.

I wonder if that will cause a juror to go with reasonable doubt... thing that seems so silly about the notion of a jury is that you could get one stubborn person determined to screw the whole thing - say you have a massive racist who loves that Chauvin killed a black person, they could get onto a jury (just act normal) and become a hold out refuse to vote to convict on anything... or likewise you could get some massive woke type who also suffers from a completely warped view like the racist - thinks words are violence and is determined to find Chauvin guilty of the highest charge etc..

Obvs those are extremes - but maybe more common, you're going to get a range of views and some people will inevitably be more dominant or persuasive in the jury room, some juror or jurors who believe in guilty or not guilty but aren't confident could probs be swayed by pressure form the rest... it is a bit of a lottery as to what these personality types are going to be like in the actual jury room.

 

[kindai]

I wonder if that will cause a juror to go with reasonable doubt... thing that seems so silly about the notion of a jury is that you could get one stubborn person determined to screw the whole thing - say you have a massive racist who loves that Chauvin killed a black person, they could get onto a jury (just act normal) and become a hold out refuse to vote to convict on anything... or likewise you could get some massive woke type who also suffers from a completely warped view like the racist - thinks words are violence and is determined to find Chauvin guilty of the highest charge etc..

Obvs those are extremes - but maybe more common, you're going to get a range of views and some people will inevitably be more dominant or persuasive in the jury room, some juror or jurors who believe in guilty or not guilty but aren't confident could probs be swayed by pressure form the rest... it is a bit of a lottery as to what these personality types are going to be like in the actual jury room.

And remember it requires unanimous verdicts EITHER WAY. If its a hung jury then its back to square 1 if the prosecution wishes to re-try the case.

 

[rubberduck]

I thought catalytic converters pretty much eliminated CO in exhaust gases and the autopsy blood work would picked up on this wouldn’t it?

In principle yes. Diesel oxidation catalysts are quite different and more complex to a petrol 3-way catalyst. Are US squad cars more likely to be petrol or diesel?

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

That's a new piece of evidence.

Apparently the squad car was still running during the whole indicent and with GFs prone at a street level with his face directly facing the exhaust of the squad car, carbon monoxide poisoning could have been a contributing factor in his death.

Didn't the car have a catalytic converter? It converts carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide.

 

[Nasher]

Some will still escape. It's not going to stop 100% of it especially if it's one with loads of miles on it.

 

[MadMossy]

Didn't the car have a catalytic converter? It converts carbon monoxide to carbon dioxide.

Yes and as testified with a catalytic converter the emissions would have been 30-40 times higher, but even with one they were still around 700-1200 parts per million, the WHO considers exposure to just 80 odd parts per million for 15 minutes to be lethal.

 

[pallys]

So for people here in the thread,

Based on the evidence so far, not conjecture or bias - does anyone here think he's guilty of second degree murder? If so, what evidence would you use to back up that opinion and which evidence would you cite, which proves intent was present?

** I personally think he's definitely not guilty of second degree, unsure regarding third degree, probably guilty of second degree manslaughter..

I think he's guilty of second degree murder because chauvin consciously never put him in the recovery position despite being told the guy is lights out. Did no CPR and showed no remorse. For me this is very telling and I struggle to get past this black and white point.

However the high bar of requiring a unanimous decision means he will be found not guilty.
The judge does not seem impartial enough to call a mistrial verdict.