Diesel, EV, or stick with petrol?

[ATiRubyfan]

I am thinking of buying a 2021 Hyundai Ioniq with about 35k miles on the clock.
I do not intend to have a home charger despite having a drive.

What can I expect with charging? Are rapid charging points scarce or widely available?

 

[Rroff]

I am thinking of buying a 2021 Hyundai Ioniq with about 35k miles on the clock.
I do not intend to have a home charger despite having a drive.

What can I expect with charging? Are rapid charging points scarce or widely available?

You can get a fairly quick idea from searching for charging stations on Google Maps (I'm surprised they haven't added an overlay for it actually - though there are app features which I haven't tried). Though worth looking at the reviews on the ones around you and/or your main journeys as sometimes what appears on the maps and what is actually properly working or even actually existing can be a different story.

 

[b0rn2sk8]

I am thinking of buying a 2021 Hyundai Ioniq with about 35k miles on the clock.
I do not intend to have a home charger despite having a drive.

What can I expect with charging? Are rapid charging points scarce or widely available?

Charge at home.

Public charging is 8-12X the cost of a cheap overnight rate. For context, 9X the cost is about the same as petrol/diesel.

One of the huge benefits of an EV of an EV is you can ‘fuel’ it when it’s parked doing nothing. Your car spends most of its time parked doing nothing on your drive.

If you don’t want to spend money on a charger, you can install a commando socket or just use a 3 pin socket. The latter will be much slower.

3 pin wall socket = 7-8 miles per hour
32a commando / dedicated charger = 25-28 miles per hour.

Cheap overnight rates tend to have 5-6 hours at a cheap rate.

Also - this thread is a lot more active.

When are you going fully electric?

We're moving toward an electric car market. Overall, the number of electric vehicles on UK roads is still a tiny proportion of the total number of registered cars. Out of 26 million cars, around 37,500 are EV. So still a way to go.

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Edit2: loop up ‘Zapmap’ and ‘Charge Finder’ on your local friendly App Store to find chargers.

 

[bigmike20vt]

I am thinking of buying a 2021 Hyundai Ioniq with about 35k miles on the clock.
I do not intend to have a home charger despite having a drive.

What can I expect with charging? Are rapid charging points scarce or widely available?

obviously depends where in the country you are but most areas have plenty of chargers knocking about and usually available. the snag is they are damn expensive , more than diesel.
I love having an EV and hope never to buy an ICE car again, however without home charging I would not entertain it personally.

if you don't do many miles and your electrics are in tip top condition there is the 3pin option. I charge my car at my parents this way on occasion but with a 85kwh battery (usable) that does take almost 2 days solid charging

I take it your work does not have EV charging? ours has upto 22kw AC charging (so 11kw for my cars) for 14p a kWh which is a nice back up

 

[Haggisman]

I am thinking of buying a 2021 Hyundai Ioniq with about 35k miles on the clock.
I do not intend to have a home charger despite having a drive.

What can I expect with charging? Are rapid charging points scarce or widely available?

Completely depends where in the country you are. Around the Midlands (or most other urbanised areas), near motorways or other major trunk roads, then yes. If you're out in the middle of Wales, then not really.

As others have already said though, I wouldn't bother unless you're going to charge at home.

I've just driven from Birmingham to Carlisle and back - the 200 mile journey out cost me under £4 charging at home, the journey back cost me almost £40 using rapids along the motorway.

Doing the same round trip in my old diesel Octavia would have cost ~£55, so ~£10 more, but would have been ~45 mins shorter (thanks to the crap "142" kw chargers at Southwaite services giving me barely 25kw, meaning a quick 15 min stop turned into an hour )

 

[Funky-Melon]

Well, 7 months after accepting the job the T5 is plodding along nicely. Done over 10k miles in it, crossed the 100k mark and somehow averaging over 40mpg cruising at 65/70mph.

Have thought about chopping it for a V40 D4 as they'll do ~60mpg and with the torque I doubt I'd miss the T5 much (till the EGR/DPF plays up) but still unsure on diesel.

The company offers EV salary sacrifice after a year so if it's not too much per month on top of my £260 fuel bill then I could perhaps consider one of those, I think it's the Octopus scheme where they offer car, 4k miles of electricity, tyres, insurance etc but we'll see. I expect it won't be worth it.

Will stick with the C30 for now though.

 

[ATiRubyfan]

Thank you all for your responses.
I am based down south in Essex. I do have some EV charging bays at work but not sure what are their outputs. I am unsure if charging is free at work....

 

[Haggisman]

Thank you all for your responses.
I am based down south in Essex. I do have some EV charging bays at work but not sure what are their outputs. I am unsure if charging is free at work....

They'll almost certainly either be 7kw or 22kw (if you have 3 phase at work). Most cars can only take 7kw AC anyway, unless a faster charger has been added as an option

 

[sandys]

7kw is fine at work though as it'll just be sat there all day charging, the Ioniq only has a small battery so you'd fully charge it from near 0 in about ~5-6 hrs.

Of course make sure it works for your life outside of that as things happen such as job losses etc.

 

[Haggisman]

7kw is fine at work though as it'll just be sat there all day charging, the Ioniq only has a small battery so you'd fully charge it from near 0 in about ~5-6 hrs.

Of course make sure it works for your life outside of that as things happen such as job losses etc.

Or just wanting to go somewhere at the weekend and not having to find a public charger.

 

[Simon]

Or just wanting to go somewhere at the weekend and not having to find a public charger.

Spending £1k at home just for those few occasions probably doesn't make sense. To be honest 3 pins will get you out of that hole anyway. I dont have a home charger.

 

[Haggisman]

Spending £1k at home just for those few occasions probably doesn't make sense. To be honest 3 pins will get you out of that hole anyway. I dont have a home charger.

True, but then spending £3-4k extra on an EV over the equivalent ICE when you get all of the downsides and none of the real benefits also doesn't make much sense!

 

[Simon]

True, but then spending £3-4k extra on an EV over the equivalent ICE when you get all of the downsides and none of the real benefits also doesn't make much sense!

Agree, but not sure thats build when work charging rate means there is also no need for a home charger. Massive benefits of a EV over some crappy 3cy diesel even if you had to live on a 3 pin. Although octopus agile was negative overnight and staying below 10p until 2pm today.

No one really spends extra for a EV, they get a cheap lease or SS due to low BIK%. Monthlies matter but i do think used price is going to impact anyone crazy enough to buy a EV new outright.

 

[ATiRubyfan]

What about a 330e? Same price as the Hyundai Ioniq. Not fully electric and hybrid with a very limited range.

 

[Haggisman]

Agree, but not sure thats build when work charging rate means there is also no need for a home charger.

Maybe, but there's the reliance on actually being able to use that charger - nobody wants to have to stay an extra 2 hours at the office because they don't have enough charge to get home, and someone else was sat on it all day. If work has a row of 5-6 chargers then fair enough (depending on the size of the company ofc.), if there's a single point shared between an office of 50 people? Yeah, I wouldn't want to be relying on that to get home!

Massive benefits of a EV over some crappy 3cy diesel even if you had to live on a 3 pin.

True - whether those benefits are enough to outweigh the other inconveniences is down to the individual I guess

No one really spends extra for a EV, they get a cheap lease or SS due to low BIK%. Monthlies matter but i do think used price is going to impact anyone crazy enough to buy a EV new outright.

Even used though, you're still looking at an extra couple of £k (although granted it's hard to make a direct comparison, as EVs tend to be better specced than an equivalent ICE).

I certainly wouldn't consider an EV if I didn't have the facility to charge at home - at least not with the charging infrastructure in it's current state

 

[[TW]Fox]

Even used though, you're still looking at an extra couple of £k (although granted it's hard to make a direct comparison, as EVs tend to be better specced than an equivalent ICE).

I don't think this is true at all - rightly or wrongly the used market does not like electric cars or plug-in hybrid cars as much as you'd think, so consequentially if you want either you can get some really quite good prices. A couple of examples;

MINI Electric - cheaper than an equivalent specification petrol Mini.
BMW 330e - considerably cheaper than a 330i
Porsche Taycan - cheaper than a Panamera

There are a number of situations now where a used electric car is the obvious choice - particularly if you have £15k to spend on a small city car and you don't do long distances. Why would anyone buy a petrol car for that now when there is a range of good electric cars many of which are still within the 3 year warranty at this price point?

The price premium is there on new cars for sure, but not used I don't think.

 

[Simon]

Maybe, but there's the reliance on actually being able to use that charger - nobody wants to have to stay an extra 2 hours at the office because they don't have enough charge to get home, and someone else was sat on it all day. If work has a row of 5-6 chargers then fair enough (depending on the size of the company ofc.), if there's a single point shared between an office of 50 people? Yeah, I wouldn't want to be relying on that to get home!

True - whether those benefits are enough to outweigh the other inconveniences is down to the individual I guess

Even used though, you're still looking at an extra couple of £k (although granted it's hard to make a direct comparison, as EVs tend to be better specced than an equivalent ICE).

I certainly wouldn't consider an EV if I didn't have the facility to charge at home - at least not with the charging infrastructure in it's current state

Depends on circumstances of course but not sure anyone needs to charge everyday. And Fox covered the second hand point, there are some bargains due to poorer residuals of EV.

 

[Haggisman]

Depends on circumstances of course but not sure anyone needs to charge everyday.

Yeah of course, it's impossible to give a definitive answer without knowing the individual circumstances

And Fox covered the second hand point, there are some bargains due to poorer residuals of EV.

True - again it depends on the individual car; I'm hoping those poor residuals persist for the next few years when I'm ready to pick up my next one

 

[SeatIbiza]

I don't think this is true at all - rightly or wrongly the used market does not like electric cars or plug-in hybrid cars as much as you'd think, so consequentially if you want either you can get some really quite good prices. A couple of examples;

MINI Electric - cheaper than an equivalent specification petrol Mini.
BMW 330e - considerably cheaper than a 330i
Porsche Taycan - cheaper than a Panamera

There are a number of situations now where a used electric car is the obvious choice - particularly if you have £15k to spend on a small city car and you don't do long distances. Why would anyone buy a petrol car for that now when there is a range of good electric cars many of which are still within the 3 year warranty at this price point?

The price premium is there on new cars for sure, but not used I don't think.

I was in Audi Erdington the Friday whilst I was in the area for work trying to find a part for my A6 and they had in teh showroom an E-Tron Launch Edition 55 Quattro 300 - 2020 plate with 32k on it. £29,990, at an Audi dealer. I've not been looking at these (electric cars at all really), but that really surprised me and made me look on PH and the cheapest is a bit of a leggy 2020 for just £17.5k: https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/17057425

There are over 400 E-Tron's on there, which probably isn't a great thing given they're not very old! But, when/if I get in the market for an electric car, there are certainly some bargains to be had. I want the Taycan really...and the lowerst price one of those is now just under £40k.

 

[Nasher]

Thing is they have depreciated like that already, so they won't stop going down yet. You'll probably still lose half on it so may not be such a bargain in the end.