Diet confusion

[smit101]

It could be argued that eating porridge with milk is better/healthier than using just water as the fat and protein in the milk will further slow the absorption of carbs from the oats and lessen insulin response, excess blood insulin is what drives body fat storage, calories are largely irrelevant, we can eat a very high calorie diet and remain slim or lose weight if required as long as the diet also controls/minimises blood insulin levels.

Can't really see the problem with red meat either, red meat contains nutrients not present in either white meats or fish so should imo be eaten in combination with these, Beef is also one of the richest sources of CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) which has been found to have very beneficial effects on health.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid

 

[SteveOBHave]

It could be argued that eating porridge with milk is better/healthier than using just water as the fat and protein in the milk will further slow the absorption of carbs from the oats and lessen insulin response, excess blood insulin is what drives body fat storage, calories are largely irrelevant, we can eat a very high calorie diet and remain slim or lose weight if required as long as the diet also controls/minimises blood insulin levels.

Can't really see the problem with red meat either, red meat contains nutrients not present in either white meats or fish so should imo be eaten in combination with these, Beef is also one of the richest sources of CLA (conjugated linoleic acid) which has been found to have very beneficial effects on health.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjugated_linoleic_acid

But doesn't that suggest an extremely low carb diet which in itself is not brilliant - I personally would never suggest using something like the Aitkins diet to lose weight - a properly balanced diet with regular exercise in a sustainable manner far outweighs any massively drastic shifts in habit.

You're looking at my observations in isolation of the rest of what I've said - I never suggested that I was removing milk from my diet nor eliminating red meat... moderation and sensible intake in a sustainable manner is key really. IMO of course.

 

[smit101]

But doesn't that suggest an extremely low carb diet which in itself is not brilliant - I personally would never suggest using something like the Aitkins diet to lose weight - a properly balanced diet with regular exercise in a sustainable manner far outweighs any massively drastic shifts in habit.

I agree, it just so happens though that keto style eating is a habit for me now, I have been eating very low carb, high fat, moderate protein for several years and it seems to suit me, it's not for everyone though I admit.

Very few people would have the willpower to give up grains and starches as they have encompassed such a large part of most peoples diets from early childhood, it's my belief though that high carb consumption, especially refined carbs are the reason for such high incidence of obesity, much maligned foods such as dairy products, eggs and red meats imo do not cause excess body fat storage and are very good for us, I firmly believe they should make up the majority of our food intake along with poultry, fish and fresh vegetables.

You're looking at my observations in isolation of the rest of what I've said - I never suggested that I was removing milk from my diet nor eliminating red meat... moderation and sensible intake in a sustainable manner is key really. IMO of course.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with what you're saying, personally I don't drink milk at all as I prefer my dairy products to be unpasteurised and unpasteurised milk seems to be very difficult to source, I stick to raw cheese and butter for my dairy intake.

Sorry if i'm going off on a tangent a bit, it's been a long nightshift, I'm off to get some sleep. Have a healthy day Steve.

 

[Freefaller]

Unpasturised milk is fairly easy to get, but it's expensive.

Both of you make great points and I agree entirely. Going down to Atkins/Keto level of low carbs is not a sustainable life style IMO - low carbs is fine, though carb cycling's even better, as well as just eating decent quality carbs too - keeping away from refined carbs, and cheap simple carbs is the way forward.