Dinosaurs are not real :(

[ubersonic]

I don't get why people choose to worship somebody that could help but doesn't.

Why help those who don't want to help themselves, many don't want to. One has to dig deep and discern to understand why the permittance of suffering.

Good point, those stupid Ethiopians should just start eating then they wouldn't be hungry, oh and that little girl being violated by her creepy uncle should just say no right, and all those murder victims should just stop getting killed, the fools.

Btw the out of context quote you commented on works better in its original form

 

[Castiel]

As far as I remember, somebody said there was no such thing as an incomplete eye. I presented the nautilus and I don't think anyone said otherwise...!

I'm not disputing you, but could you explain how the Nautilus' eye is incomplete in an evolutionary sense (i.e is it an example of transition?). I understand (from some cursory reading) that the eye of the Nautilus is unusual because structurally it is very complex, yet, unlike the camera eye, it has no solid lens, instead using a 'pinhole' and as result is thought to have very limited vision. I thought it strange that sea water can enter the eye (how does that affect other cerebral function?)....I also understand that the Pinhole Eye has also evolved in the Giant Clam and related molluscs.

Anyway, I can't find any specificity as to the evolutionary aspects of the Nautilus so if you could point me in the right direction or explain it I would appreciate it....

Besides, it would be a more interesting topic of discussion than the current lolreligion one.....

 

[Nitefly]

I'm not disputing you, but could you explain how the Nautilus' eye is incomplete in an evolutionary sense (i.e is it an example of transition?). I understand (from some cursory reading) that the eye of the Nautilus is unusual because structurally it is very complex, yet, unlike the camera eye, it has no solid lens, instead using a 'pinhole' and as result is thought to have very limited vision. I thought it strange that sea water can enter the eye (how does that affect other cerebral function?)....I also understand that the Pinhole Eye has also evolved in the Giant Clam and related molluscs.

Anyway, I can't find any specificity as to the evolutionary aspects of the Nautilus so if you could point me in the right direction or explain it I would appreciate it....

Besides, it would be a more interesting topic of discussion than the current lolreligion one.....

I'm not sure this will answer your question, but the argument always put forward is that there can be no intermediate structures of the eye as it doesn't function unless it is complete. The fact that the nautilus eye exist shows that it is possible to have intermediate structures. In the same way, reptile ears are 'living fossils' of mammalian eyes and offer insight into how they might have looked in ancestral terrestrial organisms.

Of course the nautilus doesn't have an 'incomplete' eye, but it does in relation to most other extant higher organisms.

 

[Castiel]

I'm not sure this will answer your question, but the argument always put forward is that there can be no intermediate structures of the eye as it doesn't function unless it is complete. The fact that the nautilus eye exist shows that it is possible to have intermediate structures. In the same way, reptile ears are 'living fossils' of mammalian eyes and offer insight into how they might have looked in ancestral terrestrial organisms.

Of course the nautilus doesn't have an 'incomplete' eye, but it does in relation to most other extant higher organisms.

That adds some context to the stuff I am reading....I can see what you are referring to now.

Thanks.

 

[Gackt]

Some people do tend to think that religion and God are inextricably bound. Just because religion is a cancerous growth on this planet, doesn't mean that (a) God(s) of some kind don't exist.

The concept of God is a very fluid one. Different ideas and perceptions. Varying levels of being "Godlike".

 

[FutileBreadMachine]

This is what is believed in Islam, It is known in Islam that each day for God is 1000 years on earth… Hence the earth was created in 7000 earth years.
In Islam it is known that God has many creations but the ones we know are Angels (made out of light), Jins (made from Fire) and Humans (made out of carbon(clay)).
We don’t know when God created earth exactly and its not important.

But we know earth was not only created for Humans as from evidence of science we can see that Dinosaurs used to live here millions of years ago.

Coming back to God creation I believe dinosaurs are Jins and lived among us until their time came as it will be our time sometime in the future to co-exist.

Lucifer was a Jin and he was raised by God for his dedication and worship until he disobeyed God when God said kneel to my creation (Adam) and he refused so he was banished. The point of this line is that Jins still exist and live among us but don’t mix with us.

Some religious scholars say that most inhabitants of the sea are Jins, the live in forests, wilderness etc etc we do not have to see them. Like us some worship God and some don’t. In Islam it is advised not to mess with Jins as they are more powerful than us and can hurt us if we push. Although they fear us, some Jins don’t and only hurt humans if we call for it to happen.

God left fossils as well as ruins of past civilisations for us (humans of today) to study and learn from. Examples can be Dino bones for structure and age, Baghdad battery, laws and ethics from Babylonians/Greeks/Romans, Stories of prophets etc etc…

A lot of modern Science has proved some religious tests and using science and religion we have learnt much about earth past, present and future.

Both are needed to progress and learn from…

Hope I didn’t bore you

This is the first time I've heard this, although I already know the Islamic account of creation. You say there are "Jins" about the place, but we can't see them. So how do you know they are there? Can you give a single piece of evidence for their existance? Especially if you believe they are so powerful, they must have done something pretty noticeable. Can you describe an instance where someone has called for a Jin to hurt them and it has happened? Surely this is reproducable? What do you mean "God left fossils as well as ruins of past civilisations for us (humans of today) to study and learn from."? You believe he actually put the remains of animals in rock form (as fossils) for us to study? You do know they are formed when an animal dies, or if organic matter is covered by sediment (hence fossilized eggs and leaves and sea plants)? Do you believe he put fake ruins for fake civilisations for us to study? What for? Did he also make fake manuscripts and tablets from other cultures that describe these civilisations?

Also, why would dinosaurs be made from fire? Crocodiles are as old as dinosaurs, and they are made of the same thing as all living creatures (carbon). Also there are other reptiles still alive which are not made of anything unusual to other life forms on this planet.

 

[ubersonic]

Coming back to God creation I believe dinosaurs are Jins and lived among us until their time came as it will be our time sometime in the future to co-exist.

Lucifer was a Jin and he was raised by God for his dedication and worship until he disobeyed God when God said kneel to my creation (Adam) and he refused so he was banished. The point of this line is that Jins still exist and live among us but don’t mix with us.

The Devil.... was/is a dinosaur?

WIN!

 

[jmc007]

In fact it is not. Biblical Inerrancy is subjective to the definition of the particular denomination that defines it.

The Books of the Bible are not considered, and have never been considered the literal dictated Word of God, Judaism certaintly doesn't consider the Hebrew Bible to be so either......it is not considered to be so in the same way as the Quran.

Christian mainstream belief is that The Bible is inerrent in it's primary objective to reveal Gods Will and Gods Purpose, not that the words themselves are that of God. For example it is clear that Moses is considered to be the author of the Pentateuch and not God himself.....thus while the message within the inspired scripture can be considered inherrent, the words themselves can not.

I understand that Conservative Christian Literalists are of a different opinion, specifically millenialists such as Jehovah Witnesses' and some ultra conservative Baptist denominations who belive that the Bible in inerrent in every way, including how it refers to Sciences such as biology, Chronology of Historical reference and so on.....however that is not the consideration of the mainstream Christian denominations who believe as I stated earlier that Biblical inerrancy refers to the message within the Books of the Bible and not the specific words themselves.

Augustine wrote against considering Genesis to be the Literal word, rather it being the metaphorical word.....



Origen wrote:



John Paul II wrote:



Open Letter from interdenominational Christian clergy in 2004:




That is the difference.

In fact it is, we could go on all day. We are splitting hairs over a stupid point and tbh it is my fault, did I say "Gods literal word."? I think not.
The Jews do not believe the Torah is Gods word, baloney, the Talmud says that God dictated four books of the Torah, but that Moses wrote Deuteronomy in his own words.
I think this statement from the Judaism reform, "We affirm that Torah is a manifestation of (ahavat olam), God's eternal love for the Jewish people and for all humanity." sums up my idea of Gods word.

 

[bhavv]

Hopefully you are not referring to me mrk? I'd love to see a universal sized repeatable test of the big bang

Id love to see a universal sized repeatable test of God creating the universe. Until there is any real evidence of this, you have to be a fool to believe it.

 

[kedge]

As far as I remember, somebody said there was no such thing as an incomplete eye. I presented the nautilus and I don't think anyone said otherwise...!

If you remember?, what the disscussion was about? Doctor walt Brown.... all species appear fully developed there are no examples of half-developed feathers, eyes,skin, tubes (arteries, veins, intestines, etc.), or any of the vital organs (dozens in humans alone). Tubes that are not 100% complete are a liability; so are partially developed organs and some body parts.

You then suggested the nautilus, i wrote to Doctor Walt Brown and got this reply...

There are about 20 different types of eyes. Some work with a lens, others work with reflecting surfaces; others (as with the Nautilis) work as in a pinhole camera. The point is, they work--they are fully developed. You don't see a creature that can't see but has only an optical nerve, or only a lens, or only a retina. Many components are needed for sight, even for the Nautilis.

 

[bhavv]

First off God is Spirit, not some biological man; although Jesus was.
Mathew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Your ideas are typically hinduistic tbh.

No my ideas were purely based on Biology.

The only way it is possible to create a human child is with a human sperm and egg. If you even had the most basic GSCE level understanding of genetics, you would know this.

Jesus would have needed half of his chromosomes to have come from a human father to be a valid human offspring, his existance would have only been possible if he had a human father that had impregnated Mary.

Now according to the bible, Jesus's father was God, and therefore according to genetics, God cant have been anything other than human.

A 'holy ghost' cannot create a human child, it is 100% impossible, and no amount of faith can deny basic proven science. The only way Jesus could have existed is if his father was a human.

 

[Nitefly]

If you remember?, what the disscussion was about? Doctor walt Brown.... all species appear fully developed there are no examples of half-developed feathers, eyes,skin, tubes (arteries, veins, intestines, etc.), or any of the vital organs (dozens in humans alone). Tubes that are not 100% complete are a liability; so are partially developed organs and some body parts.

You then suggested the nautilus, i wrote to Doctor Walt Brown and got this reply...

There are about 20 different types of eyes. Some work with a lens, others work with reflecting surfaces; others (as with the Nautilis) work as in a pinhole camera. The point is, they work--they are fully developed. You don't see a creature that can't see but has only an optical nerve, or only a lens, or only a retina. Many components are needed for sight, even for the Nautilis.

So now you are saying that since an intermediate structure cannot be found that is similar to 'a creature that can't see but has only an optical nerve, or only a lens or only a retina', that the eye remains a mystery?

I just wanted to check you are actually saying that.

 

[Brookert]

Oh my god, such evolutionary biology fail in this thread.

 

[kedge]

I think there'll come a time when science disproves most if not all religious theories. Wonder what will happen then?

Not all science is trying to prove God religion faith etc as nonsense, what science does as a whole is to try to show us how things work/function etc, only "evolutionists" "bacteria to man" type and the ignorant and religious haters try to diss the God believer.

Evolutionists are going to need some factual evidence first, and they have been searching for centuries and no real tangible evidence has been shown to support their philosophy or theories, not going to happen, period.

 

[BunnyKillBot]

Surely 'are' is the wrong tense of the verb to be, since Dinosaurs were not real and Dinosaurs are not real have very different connotations. Dinosaurs are no more real today than woolly mammoths, give or take a few crazy oriental scientists

 

[kedge]

Good point, those stupid Ethiopians should just start eating then they wouldn't be hungry, oh and that little girl being violated by her creepy uncle should just say no right, and all those murder victims should just stop getting killed, the fools.

This is the world you want, blame the powers that be that rule this planet/ system of things, not God's fault, you choose a life of independence from God's knowledge. Most of the suffering i see is because of man.

 

[bhavv]

lolkedge.

Theres plenty of evidence supporting evolution.

 

[bhavv]

Surely 'are' is the wrong tense of the verb to be, since Dinosaurs were not real and Dinosaurs are not real have very different connotations. Dinosaurs are no more real today than woolly mammoths, give or take a few crazy oriental scientists

Wooly mammoths are about to be cloned soon

 

[Nitefly]

Wooly mammoths are about to be cloned soon

I seriously doubt this and yes I read the article

 

[hola_adios]

And what mask are you wearing today Nitefly? ...mataphorically speaking of course

By the way was it you that was proven wrong with regards to the eye of the nautilus?.

Eye of the Nautilus? Not that again ... please read a bit, study and think by yourself..