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Yup.
That a father once chopped his sons head off out anger, and after realizing his error chopped off an elephants head to stick on his decapacitated sons body, and lo and behold! Ganesh was created
I lolled at that and disbelieved it at around age 9.
So this world you would "rather" have is without God? This world is corrupted again and doomed to be destroyed.
Yup.
That a father once chopped his sons head off out anger, and after realizing his error chopped off an elephants head to stick on his decapacitated sons body, and lo and behold! Ganesh was created
Thank you Brother. So I was right when I called your ideas typically Hindu.
The thing is Bhavv even the majority belief held by the west is meant to be Christianity, the ammount who are true believers following the will of God and truly believe in His power, are very few and far between.
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Of course you would agree with him when he defends your beliefs of miraculous childbirths while I do not
Being able to believe in both Christianity and Evolution at the same time is a logical / rational fail of the most epic proportion.
You either believe that God created man, or that man evolved from another species, or whatever other belief / theory you may have.
I wouldn't care if he went against 'my' beliefs, he presents some interesting points that seem to come from not particulary biosed sources. His arguements/discussion seemed reasoned to me. I don't actually think he is defending at all btw, as he has said many times that's not his belief.I looked at some of the more adament 'supporting' people's links and frankly discounted them.. so that begs the question for you.. why would I support Castiel's version when he clearly states he doesn't believe?
Just to clear it up, I didn't even go to church until I was 14. I didn't want to. I have been baptised (my own choice when much older), and been disillusioned, and gone back.. and for me, the only failing I found was 'man'. You will probably find a lot of the so called Christians basically are just like you, but do lip service for Christianity.. it's a real shame. I don't believe in a young earth, or what the creationists believe, although I do think that in some ways that God created man. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong... and must be crazy, because I also believe that things evolve, and I'm perfectly happy to believe that there was some 'event' that kicked life off. Weird huh.. guess that doesn't compute for you?
Thank you Brother. So I was right when I called your ideas typically Hindu.
How are they? Hindus believe in miracles and Gods on Earth. I dont.
Meh.
This whole 'can you insult a person's beliefs?' thing has got a bit silly. If someone has an idea or follows a religion that you find silly, then by all means, call them and their beliefs silly. Of course, if you go out of your way to do with intention to be malicious, then perhaps that is somewhat jerk-ish.
On the other hand... get over it? A belief isn't any more sacred than an opinion on anything else and if someone wants to call your belief system idiotic or stupid then so be it. You may well find my beliefs stupid. So I can say your beliefs and silly, and you can say mine are silly. We can then both act like adults and not get overly worked up about what someone else has to say when it is of absolutely no significance.
For those reasons this post:
If it offends you, be offended. But you really shouldn't be.
This whole 'can you insult a person's beliefs?' thing has got a bit silly. If someone has an idea or follows a religion that you find silly, then by all means, call them and their beliefs silly. Of course, if you go out of your way to do with intention to be malicious, then perhaps that is somewhat jerk-ish.
On the other hand... get over it? A belief isn't any more sacred than an opinion on anything else and if someone wants to call your belief system idiotic or stupid then so be it. You may well find my beliefs stupid. So I can say your beliefs and silly, and you can say mine are silly. We can then both act like adults and not get overly worked up about what someone else has to say when it is of absolutely no significance.
For those reasons this post:
...was perfectly acceptable. Personally, I think it utterly begs belief that a virgin gave birth to a son - it's the tallest tale of all tall tales. Of course, it requires faith to believe that, but I think to put faith in something like that is foolish. If you believe it, go ahead and do so. But don't tell me that I'm not being respectful to your ideals. If I had said that 'you believe X that makes you a complete moron' and relentlessly continued to put down your beliefs, then yes, you might have a point. Until that stage however, just disagree with me.Well, it isn't
Not unless you're delusional/foolish/trolling.
If it offends you, be offended. But you really shouldn't be.
Well TBH, I dont even think that a single other religion believes that virgins can give birth
Even hinduism / budhism that believe in reincarnation still accept that the child, whether it has god like powers or not, was normally conceived through a sperm and an egg. They believe however that the soul can be transported to any body, like it is a vessel, and that in some cases a god's soul maybe reincarnated this way into a human form. (I dont believe this, but it still makes more sense than Christianity lol).
Islam teaches that both Jesus and Muhammed were ordinary humans. Islam strongly counters and refutes Christianity's claims that Jesus was the son of God.
According to the bible, this evolution never happened. Adam / Eve ate fruit from the forbidden tree and they suddenly had all the intelligence and characteristics of modern man.
Evolution is incompatible with the Bible.
Even hinduism / budhism that believe in reincarnation still accept that the child, whether it has god like powers or not, was normally conceived through a sperm and an egg. They believe however that the soul can be transported to any body, like it is a vessel, and that in some cases a god's soul maybe reincarnated this way into a human form. (I dont believe this, but it still makes more sense than Christianity lol).
Islam teaches that both Jesus and Muhammed were ordinary humans. Islam strongly counters and refutes Christianity's claims that Jesus was the son of God.
According to the bible, this evolution never happened. Adam / Eve ate fruit from the forbidden tree and they suddenly had all the intelligence and characteristics of modern man.
Evolution is incompatible with the Bible.
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I liked it when Castiel layethed the smackdown.
It just came to me the way you spoke here:-
Very evident Indian speach and Hinduistic thinking.Now, if what Christians and the Bible state is true, that Mary was the virgin mother of Jesus, God was his father, and that Jesus was a man, then according to this, and along with the part that says 'God created us in his Image', God was / is a biologically human male that impregnated Mary.
How did such an organism gain magical universe and live creating powers? And how and where did / does it exist?
The real truth is Bhavv, although people in the west are brought up Christian, in the Majority. Very, very, few actually truly believe in the full power of God, infact they deny it.
That quote had nothing to with hinduism and I dont see how you could possibly link the two together. it was fully based on the biology of childbirth and inheritence, which I studied during my 3 years at university.
I know next to nothing about hinduism, very little of it was actually taught to me other than mere idol worship. Neither of my parents nor any of my relatives had any clue or understanding about their religion. It was simply a cultural tradition that they were raised to follow.
Really? I wasnt aware that everyone in the west were bought up Christian. I wasnt, and neither are atheists / muslims / jews / sikhs / budhists / whatever else.
I know next to nothing about hinduism, very little of it was actually taught to me other than mere idol worship. Neither of my parents nor any of my relatives had any clue or understanding about their religion. It was simply a cultural tradition that they were raised to follow.
Really? I wasnt aware that everyone in the west were bought up Christian. I wasnt, and neither are atheists / muslims / jews / sikhs / budhists / whatever else.
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I know, well it does really, isn't Hinduism full of supernatural entities flying around the Universe, doing as they please? Who is to say they are wrong?
I do not know, it just became very evident to me, spiritual discernment maybe?
Come on Bhavv, lol please do not misquote me out of context lol. I said in the majority.
I have no idea, why would I? All I was ever taught is 'Heres a statue of blahblahblah god, you must light a candle and pray to it'.
The point is bhavv, that the Christians believe (whatever the numbers) that it was not biological in nature for her to get pregnant, it was divine intervention. You are trying to argue a point based on something from a completely unproveable scientific perspective. (Unproveable because you weren't there and can't test Mary/egg etc). We are all pretty clear on how conception occurs, regardless of belief.
If the point is taken that it's disproved, and that it was a man's sperm that impregnated her... then we'd be in a totally different situation.
If the point is taken that it's disproved, and that it was a man's sperm that impregnated her... then we'd be in a totally different situation.
That you find it so is fine, each is entitled to their opinion on this. I am not a Christian and as such do not have to reconcile evolution with any creator beliefs. The simple fact is that the majority of Christian denominations do not have a literal interpretation of Genesis and thus Evolution is not necessarily contrary or in conflict with Christian belief. That some Christians hold a literal view of the bible and as a result Genesis, that does not imply that All or even the majority that you believe exists hold that view.
I feel that I have, but if you want a more informed opinion from a scientific perspective then you should read works by Francisco J Ayala
as this quote from him will illustrate why, if you are really serious about having an informed, logical and objective view on this:
The book that relates directly to this thread is called Darwins Gift: To Science & Religion.
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This takes me back to Raptorjesus.jpg.
The only way I can describe what I think of people who literally believe in the 'miraculous birth of Jesus to a Virgin mother', is that they are fools.
No you havnt, you never did, and you failed at comprehending that I want YOU to answer the question, and not your ignorant lolreligion links.
Why do you feel the need to keep on defending something that you yourself dont even believe in? If religion wasnt BS, then you wouldnt have chosen not to believe it.
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Nice ninja edit
At present then I'm an id opps.. "fool".
Gotta be careful with my choice of words. 'Fools' is really to light, and I adapted it from my lovely nearby baptist chapel that has a sign stating:
'He who hath said in his heart that there is no God is a fool'.
and has had it for as long as I can remember.
I want to burn it down, but that would get me in too much trouble.
Maybe I should make my own sign instead:
'Anyone that believes in God is a fool'.
Surely thats fine isnt it, if theists can say the same thing about atheists?
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Ooooh no, you will be perceived as a nasty person doomed to eternal stoking of the boilers in hell
Sadly you are as blinkered and fundamentalist as kedge in your own way. The only answer you will ever accept is the one that fits in with your lolreligion atheist mindset. It frankly makes me slightly embarrassed to be an atheist.
The simplest way to reconcile evolution with genesis is to take genesis as allegorical and that man is made, not in God's physical image but his spiritual image. Even I, as a spiritually stunted atheist, can see this, why is it you can't?