Dinosaurs are not real :(

OP's interaction sounds almost word for word like a Bill Hicks routine (Which I can't link due to language, but it's the one on...well, dinosaurs).

"Dinosaur fossils? God put those there to test our faith."
"Dude, I think God put you here to test my faith."
 
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stoke1863 said:
Just been chatting to this american guy at work from Denevr who is very very relgious.

We got chatting and i asked him how old the earth is according to the bible ( i think he said 6k years old or something)

anyway i asked why we have fossils of dinousaurs that have been carbondated over 30 million years old and he told me that God planted the fossils on the earth as a test to see who keeps the faith.

I asked him why god was so mischievous and he declined to comment. Tried talking about the Universe (planets, galaxies etc...) and he just refused to comment on anything.

Is there anybody on here that bielives that fossils were planted by god? would genuinely like to hear from you
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I'm a Christian and this guy has a very strange view on some things by the sound of it, not taken from the Bible by the way!

Oh, and dinosoars are referred to in the bible in Job 40, and yes the world is ~6k years old - but that's down to faith and this topic has been done to death on other threads so not going to go over old ground (pun intended).

A lot of Christian scientists I've come across say that the fossil layers are consistent with vast amounts of water dissipating rapidly, depositing layers of fossils in layers we now see around the world.

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I don't profess to have much scientific knowledge but have read a little on the subject and it's interesting to read that rocks are rarely carbon dated to prove age. Carbon-14 dating gives more evidences for a young earth than an old - source.

I'll have to find the source but one carbon dating test made on 2 day old volcanic rock dated sample at thousands or possibly millions of years old.
 
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Interesting, I've never looked up about carbon dating or how it works, but if your suggestion on the volcano rock is true, then we need to come up with a new way of findout how old stuff is :p
 
boxman2000 said:
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I don't profess to have much scientific knowledge but have read a little on the subject and it's interesting to read that rocks are rarely carbon dated to prove age. Carbon-14 dating gives more evidences for a young earth than an old - source.

I'll have to find the source but one carbon dating test made on 2 day old volcanic rock dated sample at thousands or possibly millions of years old.
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The only reason to do carbon dating on a rock is to deliberately create fake data for the purposes of propaganda. Propaganda that you appear to have fallen for and are now repeating. Carbon-14 dating doesn't work on rocks because they weren't alive. Carbon-14 dating tells you when something died.

Also, rock that's melted and moved is still the same rock. It's not actually new.

Carbon-14 certainly gives more evidence for more recent things because it doesn't work at all except for more recent things. If you use carbon-14 dating on something 100,000 years old something 100,000,000 years old, you'd get the same result. You'd probably also get the same result on something 50,000 years old and quite likely get the same result on something 20,000 years old (depending on various conditions).

You've been mushroomed.
 
FoxEye said:
So... this is a thread for evolutionists to congratulate themselves for not believing in God I take it?

P.S. Not all religious people dis-believe the dinosaurs ;) As far as I know, the Biblical account of creation starts with an already existing Earth does it not... so the Earth/universe could already have been millions of years old at the beginning of Genesis.

I'd have to read it again because my memory is rubbish, but I'm sure there's room in the creation account for dinosaurs :) Dis-believing them is not a mainstream theory as far as I know...
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What's all that guff in Genesis about God creating the heavens and the earth, and light, then on the 7th day creating humans then?
 
I read a quote somewhere which sums up my views on the universe perfectly; "Can't we think a garden is beautiful without having to believe there's fairies at the bottom of it?"

Personally I find the fact that all the complexity and wonder that the universe has is based on both random chance and physical/mathematical laws worth far more than to cheapen it by saying "god did it". Doing that is tantamount to saying "it's too much work to learn about so I'm just going to stay in my comfy little box of ignorance".

I'm much rather ponder the fact that my very existence is the result of the elements that make up everything I am being born in dying stars billions of years ago, the very traits that make me human were the ones that made the difference between life and death over millions of years of evolution, that the desire to explore and learn about the universe we live in has carried us safely to the present day and will determine the outcome of our future. To me religion is an insult to all those who dedicated their lives to discover and bring to light things so much more profound than often misquoted words from a 2000 year old book.
 
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of all the religions to become popular chrisitanity is pretty dull

I am hoping norse gods make a comeback

If I am to follow a mythical figure for which there is no proof exists..I would rather follow Thor as he is much cooler
 
Delvis said:
@boxman

Interesting, I've never looked up about carbon dating or how it works,
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http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/earth/geology/carbon-14.htm

but if your suggestion on the volcano rock is true,
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It isn't. Here's a couple of explanations:

http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/mt_st_helens_dacite_kh.htm

http://www.noanswersingenesis.org.au/sarfati's_RE_reviewed_henke.htm

then we need to come up with a new way of findout how old stuff is :p
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There already are a fair few other ways.
 
If fossils were planted by god I'd not be bothered, but I'm inclined to believe that evolution and that the universe started from a big bang, and that earth formed from a mass off space dust and debris and that the sun will swamp the earth in 5 billion years time.
 
Angilion said:
But that's useless as a reply because anyone who says "evolution is just a theory" is so utterly ignorant of every relevant thing that you're more likely to be successful in explaining quantum theory to a passing squirrel.
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That made me giggle. :D
 
Castiel said:
I know an awful lot of religious people of varying denominations and religions.....not a single one ascribes to nonsence literalism such as described in the OP.

It is extremely disingenuous to assume that the views stated by the OP's friend are indicative of religious people as a whole.
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I completely agree.

But pending on location, in some parts of the world this kind of religious literalism is more far more common & problematic.

I really quite like the attitudes towards religion that most the people of the UK hold (along with most of the EU/Japan) - but the USA & the middle east - not so much.
 
The thing is, we have more than one way of calculating the age of the universe.

Look up at night - see that star (pick one at random - chances are it will be) - it's more than 6000 light years away & you can see it.

What does that say? - for a start it means the universe is at least as old as the furthest detectable object in the galaxy in light years (if we are able to detect the light) - which sadly is MORE than 6000 light years away.

Look at radioactive material A, it has a half life of X million years & has progressed X amount through it - what does that say? - radiometric dating exists.
 
elmarko1234 said:
Look up at night - see that star (pick one at random - chances are it will be) - it's more than 6000 light years away & you can see it.
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Technically not true unfortunately. With the naked eye I think the furthest single star you can see is about 4,000 light years away.

However you can see galaxies which are at least 170,000 light years away.
 
RDM said:
Technically not true unfortunately. With the naked eye I think the furthest single star you can see is about 4,000 light years away.

However you can see galaxies which are at least 170,000 light years away.
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Good point,

Perhaps not with the naked eye, but still viable (with the aid of apparatus) - or the Andromeda Galaxy which is 2.5m light years away.
 
anyway i asked why we have fossils of dinousaurs that have been carbondated over 30 million years old and he told me that God planted the fossils on the earth as a test to see who keeps the faith.
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what a loony lol
 
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