I'm not denying that, just that he was able to contribute despite his condition.We all understand that vast numbers couldn't hope to match that level but if they wanted to work then don't stop them
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Disabled couple snooped on and accused of fraud by the DWP
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i have undiagnosed complex ptsd stemming from only getting diagnosed as autistic when i was about 34, i also have congestive heart failure and depression and anxiety and a few other issues.
i am too scared to apply for pip from bad experiences with the whole job center system, they auto assume every one is lying which leaves it too hard for people like me to even consider applying as the stress is astounding
i am too scared to apply for pip from bad experiences with the whole job center system, they auto assume every one is lying which leaves it too hard for people like me to even consider applying as the stress is astounding
That's the problem, the assumption of people from next to nothing in evidence.i have undiagnosed complex ptsd stemming from only getting diagnosed as autistic when i was about 34, i also have congestive heart failure and depression and anxiety and a few other issues.
i am too scared to apply for pip from bad experiences with the whole job center system, they auto assume every one is lying which leaves it too hard for people like me to even consider applying as the stress is astounding
This comes from both mine and my brother-in-laws experiences of the system.
With me I had undiagnosed IBS and was put on the sick from work for about 2 months. I was only getting Statutory Sick Pay so about £9 a day I think but I was earning £15/hr.(dramatic drop in income).My boss thought I was pulling a fast one, so got rid of me with the statement "we need someone here". As I was then unemployed I got either unemployment, income support or both. Still undiagnosed and still being signed off, coming up to the review time I had to go to an interview to continue receiving payments but it was for a different benefit. Now considering it was IBS that was the problem they asked me to do things like touch my toes(totally irrelevant to my condition). Assessment over I'd scored 0 so was put back on unemployment. I just happened to be in that area of being ill enough to not be able to work but well enough to go to work if you get my drift.
The other was loosing my driving license. I was having a routine consultation about my heart condition. My wife mentioned something about my sleep(she thought I would stop breathing while asleep), so immediately the consultant mentioned Sleep Apnea and told DVLA, all without any tests or diagnosis just an assumption on circumstantial evidence. Went in to have a 24hr sleep monitor fitted and it showed that I didn't have it. The nurse fitting said they were annoyed that people were being diagnosed before the testing.then had to fill a form in to tell them about any other ongoing medical problems. You know the type of form that says do you or have you suffered from this or that and gives the options of yes or no. To which I put down what conditions I had. When I got to the section on eye problems it asked if I had Glaucoma to which I answered in the option given as other because although I hadn't got Glaucoma I was being monitored to see if I was developing it.
They immediately came back with "as you have stated that you have Glaucoma, we need you to have further tests". When I phoned them up to explain I was told again "that's what you put down", I said "it wasn't, I had put it in the section for "other" because I was only being monitored". Nope no joy wouldn't even accept the word of the eye consultant from the hospital who was looking at me. I had to go to Spec Savers for a special assessment, which to me just seemed to consist of wearing my glasses to read the chart.
So as you can see they assume before knowing the whole picture.
Sorry about the long post but woke up to wee but can't get back to sleep
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Soldato
I bet no one investigates the boat folk as viciously, if you've ever been unlucky enough to claim(some of your own money back) they drag you over the coals!!
Soldato
They'll soon push for all the illegals to be rushed through processing and become legal because of the sick!!The attack on the poor has started. Paper articles appearing more and over the next few months to brainwash the people to thinking it those that are sick which is the problem.
Four million at risk of abandoning work permanently as benefits surge
Post-pandemic shift in welfare discourages unemployed from looking for jobs, think tank warnswww.telegraph.co.uk
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It's a torygraph article so paywalled which means i can't read it easily.The attack on the poor has started. Paper articles appearing more and over the next few months to brainwash the people to thinking it those that are sick which is the problem.
Four million at risk of abandoning work permanently as benefits surge
Post-pandemic shift in welfare discourages unemployed from looking for jobs, think tank warns
Are they seriously suggesting it's somehow got easier/better on benefits in the last couple of years?
And if so does the writer of the article need to be sent back to a nice padded room and put back on his meds?
but some journalist probably lived on 80 a week for one week found it easy to eat rice and beans every day and to permanently wear a coat in the house.
so simple to live like that for weeks on end apparently.
Theres probably a tory cookbook on how to eat for £1 a day.
assuming you have a few hundred quid to bulk buy your food and a walk in freezer to store all your bulk cooked meals.
you'll probably have to visit about 20 different supermarkets looking for all the yellow label sticker products, but legs are free.
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Funnily enough I was talking to bloke yesterday while out walking the dog who had been homeless. He lived in tents in two places near to where I live. He asked for nothing in the area yet he was able to survive on the generosity of those around him. He was given food, haircuts, small gas bottles and the ability to have a wash all from the community. They even raised £2500 which he used to get a step back into life and now lives in the area and is able to give back something.
Soldato
i have been unemployed a few months now plus self funding unemployed by choice before that.
my overall impression is that since lockdown people have realised this work for a living lark is overrated and are using every trick in the book to let the state pay for their lifestyle, i am trying to find a certain site i was on where you paid a subscription to find out exactly how to word pip claims and what words to use !!
This is making it hard for the genuine people who need help
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btw i lived next to the Shannon Matthews estate in my last house, its not like i have been isolated in a nice area all my life, so saw how producing babies as an income source was the way to go
my overall impression is that since lockdown people have realised this work for a living lark is overrated and are using every trick in the book to let the state pay for their lifestyle, i am trying to find a certain site i was on where you paid a subscription to find out exactly how to word pip claims and what words to use !!
This is making it hard for the genuine people who need help
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btw i lived next to the Shannon Matthews estate in my last house, its not like i have been isolated in a nice area all my life, so saw how producing babies as an income source was the way to go
Anything wrote on those forms is irrelevant, it doesn't matter how you word anything, they don't pay any attention to them.
It's basically evidence they can use against you, and nothing else.
Only what the assessor says at the interview counts and any medical evidence you have to back up your claims.
It's extremely difficult to get PIP.
why do you think disabled people literally kill themselves over it?
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Philippa Day: Flawed PIP system led to young mum’s death, says coroner
Flaws in the disability benefits system were “the predominant factor and the only acute factor” that led to a young disabled mother taking her own life, a coroner has concluded. Gordon Clow, assist…
www.disabilitynewsservice.com
She was living on 60 a week for four and a half months due to a DWP series of mistakes btw.
She probably spent all her money on takeaways, cigs and booze
Claimant deaths still linked to systemic flaws in benefits system, DWP document shows
Scores of deaths of claimants in the last three years have been linked to persistent, systemic flaws in the way benefits are managed by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), an official docum…
www.disabilitynewsservice.com
insert British people are lazy mantra here
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Soldato
DWP is horrible, I knew someone who because they could walk to the kitchen with a zimmer frame was denied PIP, and they didn't have long left before passing away due to numerous organ fialures.
Soldato
I still think the genuine in need are lost in the fog of people trying it on, will try and find that site it has every question with the points needed (more info on subscription)
Soldato
Are you capable of making a simple meal without leaving the cooker on type question, well hey let's put no absolutely not , next question
Citizens advice and loads of other places will do it for free.
The DWP even did home visits helping people fill out the forms at one time, no idea if they still do.
any sites selling info are pretty much a scam,
Only medical evidence from professionals matters
You can tell them what you want, they will ask why you cant do it after.
if you cant cook on a stove because you might burn yourself or leave the stove on then guess what.
you can cook a meal in a microwave is the answer they give.
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The Coroner only pointed the failings in the system, from a quick glance through the article it did seem she had genuine problems, you can't assess how she lived her life just from the article. My wife works in a predominantly mental health hospital and has said a few things over the years.Anything wrote on those forms is irrelevant, it doesn't matter how you word anything, they don't pay any attention to them.
It's basically evidence they can use against you, and nothing else.
Only what the assessor says at the interview counts and any medical evidence you have to back up your claims.
It's extremely difficult to get PIP.
why do you think disabled people literally kill themselves over it?
like
She probably just didn't want to work and her only other option was suicide?Philippa Day: Flawed PIP system led to young mum’s death, says coroner
Flaws in the disability benefits system were “the predominant factor and the only acute factor” that led to a young disabled mother taking her own life, a coroner has concluded. Gordon Clow, assist…
She was living on 60 a week for four and a half months due to a DWP series of mistakes btw.
She probably spent all her money on takeaways, cigs and booze
Claimant deaths still linked to systemic flaws in benefits system, DWP document shows
Scores of deaths of claimants in the last three years have been linked to persistent, systemic flaws in the way benefits are managed by the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP), an official docum…
insert British people are lazy mantra here
Yes, there are some that will milk the system and others who are absolutely genuine but you need serious professional training to work with them, not just a half day training session and put on the phone to them.
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There are a lot of people scamming the system, I know a girl who claims to have Agoraphobia not be able to leave the house, she appealed and now is on full benefits back dated for 2 1/2 years. Yet shes happy to walk round to her mothers house, also on benefits and to top it off was at Notting hill carnival last year.
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The Coroner's Prevention of Future Deaths Report is pretty clear there were significant failings at DWP.
Coroner's reports are far clearer than subsequent media reporting, in my experience (don't ask!).
See it here, along with the response.
Philippa Day - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary
Date of report: 12 February 2021 Ref: 2021-0043 Deceased name: Philippa Day Coroner name: Gordon Clow Coroner Area: Nottingham and Nottinghamshire Category: Mental Health related deaths | Alcohol, drug and medication related deaths | Other related deaths This report is being sent to: The...
www.judiciary.uk
I know that, the response was about the comment on her lifestyle.The Coroner's Prevention of Future Deaths Report is pretty clear there were significant failings at DWP.
Coroner's reports are far clearer than subsequent media reporting, in my experience (don't ask!).
See it here, along with the response.
Philippa Day - Courts and Tribunals Judiciary
Date of report: 12 February 2021 Ref: 2021-0043 Deceased name: Philippa Day Coroner name: Gordon Clow Coroner Area: Nottingham and Nottinghamshire Category: Mental Health related deaths | Alcohol, drug and medication related deaths | Other related deaths This report is being sent to: The...
how can an appeal take 2 and a half years?
You start a claim then wait 4-7 months for an assessment.
lets say mandatory recon takes a month.(it doesn't)
Then say tribunal wait is maybe 6 months max.
Thats like 1.5years believable with the delays in assessing people currently..
2.5 seems like a tall tale.
and I doubt she got anything purely for agoraphobia, theres probably something else they aren't telling you about
at a tribunal she would have to convince 3 people btw and I doubt they are taking anyones word for it.
probably something happened in her past you don't know about because she doesn't want it public.
if she was at a carnival and you have proof report her to the DWP https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud
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There’s absolutely zero chance PIP is paying out purely for agoraphobia. It’s best not to make stuff up when discussing these things.