Disabled couple snooped on and accused of fraud by the DWP

[Ayahuasca]

Or the system is so overloaded with scroungers that the genuine cant get through..

But we already know that's not the case. You keep making one assumption after another...

Also, you said that apparently anyone can get benefits, so that would include the real cases, if it's as easy as you think it is.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Or the system is so overloaded with scroungers that the genuine cant get through..

The genuine can't get through because people like you call them scroungers so the government cracks down on everyone to score ideological points. Everyone is treated like a scrounger and has to fight tooth and nail for benefits which clogs the system up.

 

[Quartz]

As someone who is disabled and solely reliant on benefits stuff like this is a huge concern to me. Don't get me wrong, I don't want to be on benefits but when I can barely walk through my home on crutches, get constant cellulitis, swelling and pain and also can't wear trousers without risking yet another DVT I'm pretty much ******! The fact that this income can be stopped or reduced on a whim is bloody terrifying.

I honestly believe assessments for people like me need to be put back in the hands of GP's and other specialists.

If you cannot wear trousers you might consider a kilt!

 

[n111ck]

But we already know that's not the case. You keep making one assumption after another...

If you are happy with the current system then fine - but the utopia where everyone can stay at home based on their 'word' will never happen.

I sympathise with the genuine but if everyone is 100% genuine then what else can be done as there is no more money to go round.

I'm sure we can all agree that anyone who is not genuine is a scumbag.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Everyone is treated like a scrounger and has to fight tooth and nail for benefits which clogs the system up.

That can't be the case, though, because n111ck said that anyone can get benefits, so there would be no need to fight if that were the case.

It's been a while since I've seen someone deconstruct their own argument so quickly.

 

[n111ck]

The genuine can't get through because people like you call them scroungers so the government cracks down on everyone to score ideological points. Everyone is treated like a scrounger and has to fight tooth and nail for benefits which clogs the system up.

That system is apparently controlling fraud quite well though according to this thread - less fraud = more money for benefits.

 

[n111ck]

That can't be the case, though, because n111ck said that anyone can get benefits, so there would be no need to fight if that were the case.

It's been a while since I've seen someone deconstruct their own argument so quickly.

Yes - you can see the disparity at last. It doesnt make sense.

 

[Ayahuasca]

I'm sure we can all agree that anyone who is not genuine is a scumbag.

You've got the fairly obvious and easy tests to know who is and isn't genuine though, so you might want to let the DWP know and save them a few quid a year.

 

[Quartz]

honestly believe assessments for people like me need to be put back in the hands of GP's and other specialists.

Yes. Apply Reagan's "Trust but verify". Let the doctors decide, but check randomly and if a doctor is wrong too often they get disqualified , struck off, etc.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Yes - you can see the disparity at last. It doesnt make sense.

It doesn't make any sense because you made up the 1 in 10 people on disability nonsense.

 

[n111ck]

Yes. Apply Reagan's "Trust but verify". Let the doctors decide, but check randomly and if a doctor is wrong too often they get disqualified , struck off, etc.

Surely there must a medical record - someone must have quite serious issues not to be able to do anything.

 

[n111ck]

It doesn't make any sense because you made up the 1 in 10 people on disability nonsense.

It's earlier in this thread - the clarification is that some of the 1 in 10 do actually work which is a good thing.

 

[Kenai]

It doesn't make any sense because you made up the 1 in 10 people on disability nonsense.

Despite most of the content of his posts being entirely fictional, he didn't make that particular figure up.

An estimated 16.0 million people in the UK had a disability in 2021/22. This represents 24% of the total population.

The prevalence of disability rises with age: around 11% of children were disabled, compared with 23%of working age adults and 45% of adults over State Pension age.

Mobility is the most frequently reported impairment type (47%),followed by stamina, breathing or fatigue (35%), and mental health(32%).

As of February 2023, there were6.3 million people claiming an extra-cost disability benefit in Great Britian, representing 9.6% of the total population.

 

[Ayahuasca]

Surely there must a medical record - someone must have quite serious issues not to be able to do anything.

Let's cut to the chase and use a real world example to see your position. @robfosters is capable of replying coherently to posts on a forum, so should he still be working as there are things like data entry jobs from home?

We need to see exactly how far you'll go with this.

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

Despite most of the content of his posts being entirely fictional, he didn't make that particular figure up.

That doesn't mean they are all claiming. As of 2024 only 1.6m were on ESA and 1.3m on DLA.

 

[Kenai]

That doesn't mean they are all claiming. As of 2024 only 1.6m were on ESA and 1.3m on DLA.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the last sentence means.

 

[n111ck]

Let's cut to the chase and use a real world example to see your position. @robfosters is capable of replying coherently to posts on a forum, so should he still be working as there are things like data entry jobs from home?

We need to see exactly how far you'll go with this.

As I said I'm not a doctor and dont think its fair to use someones medical history as a gotcha on a web forum.

I'm simply saying the default position should be that everyone should be in education, training or work with benefits as a last resort.


edit - and just to go back to my original point - you know you have a problem when even Labour are saying the system is being abused..

 

[Ayahuasca]

As I said I'm not a doctor and dont think its fair to use someones medical history as a gotcha on a web forum.

I'm simply saying the default position should be that everyone should be in education, training or work with benefits as a last resort.

Would be interesting to see how far you go with that, because frankly it sounds like you have to be a quadriplegic or brain damaged to not be employed or in education. And this is before we even get into the ableism that still exists in the world of work, especially for hidden disabilities such as autism etc.

 

[hurfdurf]

As I said I'm not a doctor and dont think its fair to use someones medical history as a gotcha on a web forum.

I'm simply saying the default position should be that everyone should be in education, training or work with benefits as a last resort.

What happens if someone lives some where where there are more people than there are jobs?

 

[TheLegendOfMart]

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what the last sentence means.

Sorry I should have read the post more clearly. You're right.