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Discussing GCN Architecture, Performance & The Future
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Although I have less faith than yourself ...
I hope so, if Linux (SteamOS) does start to grow Microsoft will be forced to improve their OS ... or lose out to free to use alternative !
Microsoft is huge in everything. Go to more or less every office and it will be running some variant of Windows OS's. The thing for gamers is "The devil they know" and with Windows being that devil, it will be harder to come away from. I hung onto XP for grim death because I hate change but knowing how I can get better performance from a free OS cushions that blow, so for me, it will be worth the change.
back on the glue again today I see
sry trying to read but its so foggy in front of me so I cant spell out whats there.
Mantle is so great but still in heaven.
So basically Nvidia and AMD have Linux / SteamOS nailed, while AMD Also have Windows nailed.
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Personally I don't see why everybody seems to hate Microsoft so much, sure they've done some pretty bad things but all in all they're OS's are good - XP was great, Windows 7 is good and 8.1 is good too once you get used to it. Also, their suite of tools for developers is widely regarded as being excellent - personally, nothing comes close to Visual Studio (especially 2012/13) in terms of IDEs.
But anyway, I'm veering off topic now - just wanted to mention that not everything Microsoft does is bad.
But anyway, I'm veering off topic now - just wanted to mention that not everything Microsoft does is bad.
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I will call windows "nailed" when we see more than a handful of games per year being released and more like 90% of windows games using it, if developers start doing SteamOS/Linux/OpenGL versions of the game, they will run on Windows too, so really no reason to also support Mantle
not so much hate, as just it has been pretty obvious that Microsoft have been holding back DirectX so that PC's don't stomp all over xbox even more than they do already
windows is a good OS for general users and yes they also develop some of the most useful and easy to use tools and apps, but in terms of spearheading new gaming, not so much
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No true, it's not all bad. But they've done sweet FA with DX considering the time frame so still deserve a good kick up the backside is what most of us are implying. Apart from Humbug, as long as AMD are happy he'll hump your leg all day long
Agreed with the others, I love W7 and it is fantastic for gaming but DX is what's holding us gamers back, so for that reason, I want to give something that is at least trying to give gamers the performance they deserve a chance.
Windows (bar vista) have been very good OS (easy to use ect.) however in the passed (X360 / PS3) the consoles have been on a totally different CPU architecture and therefore console -> PC ports have had major performance drops as its not worth the programmers optimizing for PC's (both for costs and as modern PC's where so powerful it makes little difference)
Now both major consoles run on x86 (and even a variation of the same CPU) you would hope that these performance drops in PC ports would be minimized .... however they are not. This is as both consoles will be using a highly optimized version of their chosen graphics API (PS4 : OpenGL XboxOne : DirectX). So if you could buy the same APU and RAM running in a Xbox One and run windows on it, you would still come up short.
For MS it makes no sense to make the windows version of direct X any more efficient as it would put pressure on the Xbox One market share (who would buy an Xbox when they could get a £400 PC that plays games better)
This is the issue that AMD are trying to tackle with mantle and thire new APU's i believe.
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IBMs cell processor.
More commonly known as the developers night terror.
More commonly known as the developers night terror.
Doesn't the PS4 use it. Nearly sure it does.
The PS4 and the XB1.
YEah, not sure of it's worth at the high end, but, at the low/mid end I can see the potential.
I think it's only a matter of time before it all moves that way.
Ah, thanks, I was pretty sure about the PS4 but not so sure about the xb1.
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With amd making a new 16 core server cpu I'm not sure if they are completely going in low and mid end directions with their new apus, if it were true they woudln't make a 95w tdp apu in the first place. Next for them to use 4 module steamroller apu with ddr4 memory controller embedded in the die in 28nm fab. This way they will surely renew their fx line but maybe not this year but the next. They will make some good profits from the consoles and new r9 series (not just because of mantle but also miners too) so they will start producing either 28nm cpu or 22nm apus. Their roadmap isn't clear for now and open to changes, normally the target is to release carizzo apus but they are lower tdp with excavator cores at same fab proccess so maybe fx line will get the long expected update.
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I agree with those who replied to me, it is clear that Micosoft has been holding back DirectX on Windows - however, given that the Xbox One has not done so well against PS4, one would hope that Microsoft will move back to supporting PC gaming again; essentially making sure that they cover this market (which is still worth more than the console market last I heard).
It would be a smart move for Microsoft to abandon their console dreams and instead divert their resources to dominating the PC market with improved DirectX versions, I hope that they will realise this in the near future.
It would be a smart move for Microsoft to abandon their console dreams and instead divert their resources to dominating the PC market with improved DirectX versions, I hope that they will realise this in the near future.
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As I say they've announced new technologies like titled resources which is potentially going to make things a lot easier to produce high detailed scenes without running into VRAM problems etc. But there's no sign of these being implemented yet.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DirectX-11.2-Tiled-Resources-Xbox,23322.html
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/DirectX-11.2-Tiled-Resources-Xbox,23322.html
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Microsoft are never going to seriously invest in PC gaming. They have no reason to as there is little money in it for them compared to corporate sales and they have no competition. The only way I can see it happening is if SteamOS gets a major foothold but that is incredibly unlickely IMO.
Even the Xbox has never been about the games for MS, it's all about getting a box that they control into peoples living rooms.