Eventually, once vBlank is standardised i'm sure they will. yet at this point there will be no need for G-Sync. unless they can still market it as "Added Value"
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DisplayPort 1.2a Specification Change Request for Industry Standard Variable Refresh Rate
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Eventually, once vBlank is standardised i'm sure they will. yet at this point there will be no need for G-Sync. unless they can still market it as "Added Value"
Until we know more about both systems and what the actually do i dont agree with this,
. The review samples for G-Sync use a Altera designed chip instead of it's own designed integrated circuit, but it has a total of 768MBMB DDR3 which is used to hold previous frames when making overdrive calculations
its bits like this which we dont fully understand what its used for and if freesync will have the same which means atm its hard to pick one over the other
And if freesync requires said memory to preform the same price will be similar imo
so +1 to gsync +1 to freesync for both moving forwards
final marks Awarded when we see what its like when consumers actually use it not just assuming on what it might possibly do
Free Sync is done locally on the GPU, there is no need for external Hardware, the reason Nvidia use external hardware is because their current GPU's are not compatible with vBlank.
Or thats the theory. http://techreport.com/news/25867/amd-could-counter-nvidia-g-sync-with-simpler-free-sync-tech
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Yes free Sync is done on the GPU, but didn't AMD say that it needed the hardware that they have had on their GPU's for a few years?
If and as I understand it, you are right that the currant Nvidia GPU's do not support vblank, do we know if Intel GPU's support this feature? because if they do not then just how can it be claimed that Free Sync is for everyone and G Sync is just for Nvidia users? (yes I know it wasn't you that said that it was someone on a previous page
)Yes free Sync is done on the GPU, but didn't AMD say that it needed the hardware that they have had on their GPU's for a few years?
If and as I understand it, you are right that the currant Nvidia GPU's do not support vblank, do we know if Intel GPU's support this feature? because if they do not then just how can it be claimed that Free Sync is for everyone and G Sync is just for Nvidia users? (yes I know it wasn't you that said that it was someone on a previous page
Yes, since the HD 6K series.
Intel, i don't know.
What i would have liked is for Nvidia, AMD and Intel To work together on a vBlank Standard so we can all benefit from it, i'm sure Intel and Nvidia could develop local vBlank standards on their own GPU's. no?
Instead what we have yet again is everyone trying to do it their own way and win their own way.
With AMD its free because there are no extra costs involved, i know thats a marketers interpretation, not the interpretation of Free for everyone, But as far as i know AMD never claimed that.
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well i guess if nvidia cards dont have the hardware then freesync isnt for all let alone intel's which would probaly benefit most ffrom it as there lol powered compared to a lot of gpu's
still interesting times and will be worth watching when its out and people Know instead of a a theroy all good
Keep up the good work and keep digging chaps Information is always nice
still interesting times and will be worth watching when its out and people Know instead of a a theroy all good
Keep up the good work and keep digging chaps Information is always nice
Good find, as mentioned above this probably explains quite a lot with regards to who its avaliable to and any extra costs
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Nowhere has that been confirmed, its an invented claim from AMD
The article also says that adding it to monitors *could* cost "next to nothing", which is not the same thing as it being free
It still requires new hardware from somewhere
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This would be a claim invented from you.
Firstly some screens already work with freesync, hence, the requirement for new hardware is simply a false claim.
Second, there is nothing to suggest you need new hardware to support vblanking, you have no idea if it's compatible with existing monitor controllers via software. That doesn't mean it will work on existing screens, but doesn't mean monitor makers can't use the same controllers and enable an option they previously didn't bother with for zero extra cost.
Likewise, again, the simple fact is that the monitor controllers today aren't the ones available 2 years ago, which were different from the ones 5 years before that, etc, etc. Things move on, vblanking is an exceptionally simple concept and we are not talking about massive hardware requirements.
Vblanking is just a standard implementation of a VERY simple idea, but if everyone uses the same simple method of communication, well that is what industry standards are about. They aren't all complex or difficult or expensive. It's about getting everyone on the same page so everyone can hook into it, knowing ahead of time that all hardware will respond like X so if you implement something that works with X you're sorted.
Vblanking will absolutely not add extra cost, we've already seen this on vblanking capable screens on laptops, with said laptops not costing any more than alternative laptops with the same spec.
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Which screens work?
Laptops use direct drive and dont have controllers in the same way that desktop monitors do, so they dont exactly compare
If you are right then im sure we'll see monitor manufacturers releasing vBlank monitors any day now
Laptops use direct drive and dont have controllers in the same way that desktop monitors do, so they dont exactly compare
If you are right then im sure we'll see monitor manufacturers releasing vBlank monitors any day now
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What screens use Freesync? There might be somebody here who has one and can give their feedback on freesync and if it works as well as nVidia's iteration or better.
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What?! That's not the theory at all. Point blank. Without DP.1.2a incorporating it into desktop displays variable vblank is not at all possible without some form of scaler, in this instance G-Sync. Why are you trying to big up FreeSync so much? It doesn't even exist yet!!!
Speechless.
Greg, give us a hand...DM and Humbug have got their heads stuck in the sand again.
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I am all for new tech and freesync is new tech but not one desktop monitor that I know of can use Freesync, so straight away the term "Freesync" is false, as you will need to buy a new monitor to use it, IF it ever see's the light of day. I also believe it will need a controller board, which will add cost, so again not free (unless AMD pay for every module of course).
I wouldn't care if it costs money but people jumping on the AMD bandwagon and claiming this that and the other is comical. Nobody here knows if Freesync works as well as G-Sync or if it works better than G-Sync. All AMD have done is ask for a change in the DP 1.2a. Freesync could be years away but till then, those who want smoother gameplay can buy an nVidia card and a G-Sync monitor.
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Jeebus listen to you, chicken little! It's in firmware, so it's at negligible cost to implement on the monitor side, most just haven't done it with desktop displays because it was, up to this point, a power saving feature on mobile panels.
Sure, it's not a retrofit thing and will only benefit consumers ongoing if it takes off, but it doesn't cost anywhere near what NV have to do because their current iteration of GPU's don't support it.
It's not that difficult to understand dear, just have a lie down and a cup of green tea, it'll be ok, I promise.
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I stopped reading at it's in firmware. It's not. Here have the Altera Arria V GX firmware and flash your monitor and try running G-Sync...
Stop talking 'poopy'. Great big gallah.
Stop talking 'poopy'. Great big gallah.
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Do you know what "firmware" even is? It doesn't apply to G-Sync BTW. I was talking about FREEsync.
Go have a look dear, and calm down FFS.
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You're suggesting you can flash a monitor of your choosing to a firmware from a display that's freesync capable? You're not making any sense?
I'm quite calm Rolph mate. You can tell me to calm down when you say something that makes actual sense, because right now you're talking absolute crap.
Actually, a little edit for you as I know you like those...I don't care. Reply to yourself
I'm quite calm Rolph mate. You can tell me to calm down when you say something that makes actual sense, because right now you're talking absolute crap.
Actually, a little edit for you as I know you like those...I don't care. Reply to yourself
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You're suggesting you can flash a monitor of your choosing to a firmware from a display that's freesync capable? You're not making any sense?
I'm quite calm Rolph mate. You can tell me to calm down when you say something that makes actual sense, because right now you're talking absolute crap.
Actually, a little edit for you as I know you like those...I don't care. Reply to yourself
LOL absolutely not, you misread the post. I've never suggested that you can flash a monitor to different firmware - what I was saying is that some manufacturers can and some may need a pcb edit with a chip to enable it, FREEsync I mean.
That was all.