This.
If players see a potential benefit by constantly hitting the deck, then it'll keep happening.
Diving - time to clean the game up?
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This.
If players see a potential benefit by constantly hitting the deck, then it'll keep happening.
The idea is to get your team a breather, take a couple mins to settle while you receive 'treatment' and regroup. I can see the point of this if it's needed and will probably be pretty much accepted as part of the game.
However, the whole rolling round on the floor **** like Suarez etc just irks me and makes me think how pathetic they are. Just look like such a wimp.
It's not so much the diving from challenges that annoys me, it's like others have said the wasting time dives.
Defenders when they know they are being forced backwards or into a corner, protect the ball under their feet, turn around and fall over, to feign a push.
Midfielders who have lost control of the ball, rather than lose it, kick it away and then fall over the foot that was going for the ball. Neither player is in control, but a freekick is always awarded.
Strikers who could easily score, who leave a foot in a stationary position like it's turned to lead and won't bend at the knee.
Hate them all.
Defenders when they know they are being forced backwards or into a corner, protect the ball under their feet, turn around and fall over, to feign a push.
Midfielders who have lost control of the ball, rather than lose it, kick it away and then fall over the foot that was going for the ball. Neither player is in control, but a freekick is always awarded.
Strikers who could easily score, who leave a foot in a stationary position like it's turned to lead and won't bend at the knee.
Hate them all.
This^ but the pressure to stop it has to come from club and management level so it should be point deduction and a mandatory 6 match player ban. It would cease to be an issue overnight.
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It would still be difficult to tell what definitely was and wasn't a dive, I'd bet almost every case would be disputed by the players if such a harsh punishment was given.
I mean sure it would drastically reduce diving but there are guaranteed to be grey areas e.g. if a player gets slightly clipped but then his momentum brings him down
Panel of review made up of the referees, I wouldn't allow an appeal either to be honest. The idea being that the emphasis should be shifted to trying to stay up rather than falling at the simplest touch. If there was dire consequences for the club then the club would drill that into the team. As it stands now the club prospers from the action and so by default its encouraged.
I think it's something that is manufactured at an early age. If any of you remember back to your childhood playing football on the park with your mates.. the threshold for a foul was pretty high. There was no referee, so anything went. You'd stay on your feet as much as possible and fouls were few and far between.
But if you joined a local team and competed in games with a referee, suddenly the pressure was on by the coaches, dads, team players to use any tactic available to win the ball and improve your chances to win the game.
The thing I hate about divers the most is the shoddy overacting. Maybe we could use facial recognition to judge the performance. If it looks worthy of a role in a tv soap they are probably full of ****.
But if you joined a local team and competed in games with a referee, suddenly the pressure was on by the coaches, dads, team players to use any tactic available to win the ball and improve your chances to win the game.
The thing I hate about divers the most is the shoddy overacting. Maybe we could use facial recognition to judge the performance. If it looks worthy of a role in a tv soap they are probably full of ****.
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Yeah, kids running around at 15kph with a ball sliding in isn't the same as guys running 25-40kph and smashing into each other, weighing twice as much.
As for the emphasis being on staying up, hundreds, thousands of contacts happen per game with players not throwing themselves to the ground, but we're awkward runners. A tiny little clip when running at a decent speed can throw you off balance and send you tumbling, currently most players do an excellent job staying up while running shoulder to shoulder.
The simple fact is pain is designed to make us stop what we're doing, it's an instinct. Getting smashed in the leg or face, small or big, a hint of pain makes you react, back away from the pain and stop and then it goes away or doesn't. Being able to run around 3 minutes later doesn't mean someone wasn't having acute pain for 30 seconds, it just means it didn't persist.
genuine bad dives are pretty easy to spot, particularly with replays, but going after players who go down and don't have severe injuries is just nuts. As above, that report is completely and utterly bogus written by a few morons and the BBC repeating it without any common sense applied.
Physical sport, players go down, speeds and forces involved means there will be pain and questioning who really isn't in pain is something that is literally impossible to do. Genuine cheats should be punished, if they dive, if they pull a shirt in the penalty box, diving is no more special than any other cheating and it can all be almost completely wiped out via replays. But there is absolutely no need to expand looking for divers beyond those who go down without real contact who are cheating to gain an advantage. Players who take a knock, it's literally impossible to judge how much pain they are in.
Also, footballers are athletes, if there were no stoppages the players would just be a heck of a lot more tired and the games would be dead in the final 10 mins, those 10 seconds here, 40 seconds there gives everyone little periods to recover, it's not bad for the game at all.
As for the emphasis being on staying up, hundreds, thousands of contacts happen per game with players not throwing themselves to the ground, but we're awkward runners. A tiny little clip when running at a decent speed can throw you off balance and send you tumbling, currently most players do an excellent job staying up while running shoulder to shoulder.
The simple fact is pain is designed to make us stop what we're doing, it's an instinct. Getting smashed in the leg or face, small or big, a hint of pain makes you react, back away from the pain and stop and then it goes away or doesn't. Being able to run around 3 minutes later doesn't mean someone wasn't having acute pain for 30 seconds, it just means it didn't persist.
genuine bad dives are pretty easy to spot, particularly with replays, but going after players who go down and don't have severe injuries is just nuts. As above, that report is completely and utterly bogus written by a few morons and the BBC repeating it without any common sense applied.
Physical sport, players go down, speeds and forces involved means there will be pain and questioning who really isn't in pain is something that is literally impossible to do. Genuine cheats should be punished, if they dive, if they pull a shirt in the penalty box, diving is no more special than any other cheating and it can all be almost completely wiped out via replays. But there is absolutely no need to expand looking for divers beyond those who go down without real contact who are cheating to gain an advantage. Players who take a knock, it's literally impossible to judge how much pain they are in.
Also, footballers are athletes, if there were no stoppages the players would just be a heck of a lot more tired and the games would be dead in the final 10 mins, those 10 seconds here, 40 seconds there gives everyone little periods to recover, it's not bad for the game at all.
Until they pass that mystical shimmering barrier in the space time continuum known as the 18 yard box. The barrier where bones cease to exist and muscle and sinew are dragged to the ground in a crumpled mess by the overpowering increase in gravitational forces
I wasn't comparing the two...
I was pointing out that kids are less likely to dive without influence. I also doubt any professional footballers would bother to dive in a training match.
The difference where kids are concerned is that they can pick up bad habits that can spill over into their professional careers. And those habits are more likely to be glorified by coaches and peers during team games.
What are you talking about here? feigning?
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Also, while we're at it - players waving an imaginary card to get other players booked. Why is that not an automatic yellow card for them? Ungentlemanly conduct??
The big problem with diving is that in most parts of the world it is accepted as part of the game. It is so ingrained that it will never be stamped out. I'd love to see Fifa act on it, but they never will. In this country we see it as a big problem, but it has crept into our game as well. I hate hearing "Expert" commentators saying things like "He had a right to go down there" and after the 15th close up slow motion replay prouding declaring "THERE!, There is definitely contact.......there!" It makes my blood boil, but it isn't going away.
I heard a commentator the other day saying that in the last world cup there were 11 yellow cards for simulation. This world cup there has been none.
The big problem with diving is that in most parts of the world it is accepted as part of the game. It is so ingrained that it will never be stamped out. I'd love to see Fifa act on it, but they never will. In this country we see it as a big problem, but it has crept into our game as well. I hate hearing "Expert" commentators saying things like "He had a right to go down there" and after the 15th close up slow motion replay prouding declaring "THERE!, There is definitely contact.......there!" It makes my blood boil, but it isn't going away.
I heard a commentator the other day saying that in the last world cup there were 11 yellow cards for simulation. This world cup there has been none.
I don't think it's that easy to tell if it's a dive or not.
I can tell you from experience that if you are running at nearly your top speed even a small foot check from a boot can throw you. No doubt there are theatrics but sometimes the slightest contact can make players go down and like most have said here how many times do we see players get tripped stumble and try to play only for the ball to go for a goal kick. The ref rarely takes it back for the foul making players more likely to dive.
However yesterday the ref waved away 3 Brazilan dives when he really should have either awarded a penalty or yellow card to the diving player.
I can tell you from experience that if you are running at nearly your top speed even a small foot check from a boot can throw you. No doubt there are theatrics but sometimes the slightest contact can make players go down and like most have said here how many times do we see players get tripped stumble and try to play only for the ball to go for a goal kick. The ref rarely takes it back for the foul making players more likely to dive.
However yesterday the ref waved away 3 Brazilan dives when he really should have either awarded a penalty or yellow card to the diving player.
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That's the thing tho, if I fall or am tripped I put my arms out infront of me to break my fall. Not once in all my life have I fallen upwards in a starfish.